Not related but some Jupiter good news.....

There is a contract on my building

I think ....me for example....if I knew the date I would actually die on the date because I would worry myself into sickness. And, then die. I am just that much of an emotional disaster.

Every time I have worried sick over my children I am stricken by a case of shingles.... so

I am def going to need some help with Pluto squaring my ....everything ....one thing after the next....how to navigate that hot mess ?????????

Pluto in Capricorn is a non-hysteria situation, soup. That's how you deal with it. Work with it, rather than be scared to death.

Oh and that astrologer in Mexico? I remembered...Gonzo.  Here you go:

From: "Dr. Gonzalo Peña Tamez" <gpena@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 10:32 am
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Dear Folks:

A great tragedy has occurred to me yesterday... My beautiful
daughter
Erika, 18 years old, had been dating the same boy, her first
boyfriend, for
close to 3 years... His name is Diego Santoy Riveroll. He was born
September 09, 1994, in Matamoros, MX. He has a tight Mars Uranus
conjunction
straddling his natal Ascendant. He was very impulsive; jealous beyond
his
ability to control it. Erika's old time friends, some back from her
elementary school days, others from high school had all been harassed
by
him, because he was so possessive of her and forbid her to have normal
social life. Knowing her chart (born September 19, 1987 at 02:45 AM in
Guadalajara, Mexico) and his, I asked her to be careful with the guy.
He got
to be so overbearing, that she decided to break-up with him. And she
told
me she had told him that she did not want to be her girlfriend any
longer
precisely the day transiting Pluto in Sagittarius opened a one degree
orb of
square to her natal Sun in Virgo ruler of her Leo Ascendant. I
immediately
told her, in front of her sister, Azura (19 years old), that Diego
was going
to kill her. I got very worried and called my ex-wife, Tere Coss,
and told
her that our daughter was going to be murdered by her crazy
boyfriend, that
we should send her away from Monterrey, to spend one year in
Guadalajara.
She told me she was aware of the danger, but she feared that
something bad
could happen to her if she was far from us, suggesting she should
stay here
but be careful.

Yesterday, my ex-wife was out of town on a business trip. Erika was
supposed to get up early and drive our sun Erik, 7 years old, to his
school,
and our 3 years old princess, a beautiful girl named Fernanda Ishtar
who was
my joy and pride, to her day-care center. Then, at 2 PM my other
daughter
was meant to pick our 2 babies and bring them here to eat with me
like every
school day. But Erika did not wake-up on time and did not take the
babies
to their school and day care center. They stayed home. By midmorning
Erika's boyfriend arrived to convince my daughter that they return
together.
My guess is that she rejected him. He went crazy and attacked Erika
with a
big knife from the kitchen. Then my valiant 7 years old prince
jumped to
defend her sister; and our 3 years old princess did the same. Diego
killed
both my angel babies with a big knife. The poor creatures, my darling
babies, bled to death there!. Both!. Then he continued attacking my
beautiful daughter, Erika, trespassing her from beck to front in her
thorax
with the big knife, piercing a big hole in her lung, and cutting her
neck
thrice. My other daughter slept through it, and by the time she woke
up,
Erika had crawled through the house losing most of her blood. Azura
went
crazy when she saw that her sister's head was almost all severed. She
phoned me crying hysterically, and told me that my son had been
murdered and
Erika was being taken in an ambulance to the hospital. The police
arrived
and took Azura away to help them locate the assassin.

Tere was notified and she caught a plane back to Monterrey, but she
did not
arrive until 8:00 PM last night, By then I had been through the
nightmare
of waiting 4 hours outside the operation room where 6 doctors and a
team of
nurses worked hard at saving Erika's life.

The chief surgeon, after over 5 hours, told me Erika had arrived
with no
pulse: close to zero blood pressure and heart beat... They
transfused 6
litters of blood through the operation, got over a litter of
hemorrhaged
blood from her wounded lung, and did their best to repair her neck
tubes.
The jugular veins were severed too; causing her massive blood
drain... But
they repaired her neck the best they could.

From seeing the doctors faces I could see they had been really
sweating it
up with their best performance to bring my beautiful daughter back to
life.
No one wanted to say that there was any hope, though, of safely
stabilizing
her. It was not until after midnight, that I and my ex-wife, were
allowed to
enter our daughter's room where she had just been brought at the
intensive
care ward after so many hours in the operation room. She was there,
my poor
daughter, with tubes through her mouth, nostrils and chest, hooked to
all
the monitors and gadgets, almost wide open, but unconscious, with her
neck
an awful mess. Very painful to behold as you can well imagine. My ex-
wife
was being strong, but I don't know, she has suffered so much I don't
know
whether she can overcome it. Same for Azura, whom I fear she will
just die
quietly soon out of sheer grief and pain. You can imagine our
tragedy. I'm
doing my best to appear strong when I hold them in my arms to console
them
the best I can. Our babies were good and healthy, smart and wholesome,
tender and loving. I always thought I was so blessed to have such
golden
angels. Now heavens has taken them away.

I can only stand it because our love bond keeps us together even
now that
they are dead.

Our relatives and friends are being supportive... The whole city of
Monterrey, with its 5 million people, has been totally shaken, the
way the
local media have blown out this tragedy... More so because my ex-
wife,
having had her astrology program in the local TV, seen here and in
other
cities near by and in Texas, is somewhat of a celebrity: one of the
well
known astrologers in the Mexican Northwest.

I haven't slept in two days at all, and just now I was notified
that the
corpses of my 7 years old prince and my 3 years old princess are
already at
the funeral parlor. Erik had told her mother recently that if he
died he
did not want to be eaten by maggots. So Tere wants to incinerate
them, and
we decided that even though some advice not to do it right away, we
will do
it right away. Today, Friday, at 2 PM, out two sweet darling babies
are
going to be incinerated.

As I have so many silent friends in this list, lurkers, some from
so many
years ago, I just felt this need to communicate to me the sad tragedy
that
has happened to me and my loved ones.

This is the birth data for Erik:

Erik Pena Coss y Leon
July 28, 1998
05:30 AM CDT
Monterrey, N.L.
100W18'26'' 25N40'11''
Asc.: 13Cancer33'

And this is the birth data for my princess Ishtar:

Maria Fernanda Ishtar Pena Coss y Leon
October 15, 2002
03:00 PM CDT
Monterrey, N.L.
Asc.: 01Aquarius40'

My grief is boundless... I might have to collapse some time soon.
I don't
feel now like getting technical about the astrology of my tragedy.
It's
been too overwhelming. Right now I must go and say good bye to my two
babies.

Thanks for your best wishes.

love

Gonzo

~~~~~~~

Bottom line, this is not something I would play with, in spite of the attention it might get you. 🙁

Well, Pluto played tug of war with my hubby's 6th house Saturn there for a couple of years and darn near killed him. But he's still alive (too damn stubborn to die, thankfully ?). He has heart failure, poor circulation and a paralyzed vocal cord (likely from botched ER attempts to drop an NG tube for bowel obstructions)--ALL of these he will have to live with the rest of his life, on top of his other health issues. It's not fun, but at least he's still here.

Jilly said

Writing you a long reply to post - I'm slow though but it is on way.  

Sorry this is long. 

I guess the trick is to be a mortal being amongst mortal beings & but not be too afraid about mortality?

My parents both died when they were having *Jupiter* transits, if I remember correctly.

I'm religious (Catholic) so I think about my mortality many times a day. There are prayers for a good death. Prayers for the benefit of dead people. I have faith that fellow Catholics are going to pray for me while I'm in Purgatory if I don't fuck up real bad and go to Hell. If they don't pray for me while I'm in Purgatory, then there are prayers that Catholics say for people who are in Purgatory who don't have anyone to pray for them.

It sounds like you're more afraid of Pluto transits than death though? Both?

I'm really mutable. Spread out from 0 to 29 degrees. When Pluto was in Sadge & in my 12th house it first opposed my Gemini moon, then Pluto squared: Virgo Jupiter, Venus, Pluto, Uranus; Pisces Chiron; & conjuncted my 29 Sadge Mars and 2 Cap Asc (Angles) and then Cap Pluto went over my Asc in Cap (with t square) and squared my chart ruler Saturn in 4th. That's most of my chart.

That was about 20 years of Pluto transits + Pluto angle transit & I had my 1st Saturn return during that time, too (which was great) - I got a full scholarship to grad school (other people's money & resources: Pluto). Definitely, good things happened in my life during those 20+ years. I was having a life.

So 20+ years of my life was Sadge Pluto square, one after another, or early Cap Pluto angle transits & I'm still here & I'm not even a Plutonian like you are but a Mercurian. (Not real comfortable with my Venus/Pluto.) My solar return is Fri & has lots of Scorpio + Venus & Mars in 8th. I'm like craaaappp more fricking Pluuuuuto.

Anyway during the 20+ years of Sadge Pluto squares + angle transit: Did people die during that time? Yes but people in one's life are going to die. Did bad things happen? Yes but bad things are going to happen in one's life.

Was it painful? Yes a lot of loss. Pluto does not care about how scared you are either. But it is also cathartic. Did I transform? Yes, wiped out in a few ways, even. Did I get some depth to all my mutability? Yep. Did it get me where I'm supposed to be? Hell yes. (Get it, hell ... Pluto ... har har)

Looking back to 1994 (?) when Sadge Pluto started with the transits, if I ask myself, with the losses that happened (especially my health) if I had a magic wand would I go back to 1994 and NOT have the Pluto transits? No. By having me born where & when I was, obviously it's something God wanted me to experience & I want what God wants. Do I think I could have at times done a better job with the transits? Yes. With all the Pluto transits, eventually you are going to get punch drunk. Something Elsa told me would happen and she was 100% correct.

That Saturn/Pluto (then Jupiter) conjunction in 2020 is going to square, from my 1st house, my conjunction of Sun/MC/IC/Nodes/BML. It is going to be unfathomably gruesome. I have Mars conj Cap Asc & and Saturn in Aries. I know how cruel Pluto Saturn / Mars Saturn can be.

For one thing, if I didn't have all those Pluto transits, as a non-Plutionian, I don't think I would be in a very good position for 2020 transit ... If I can get through this Chiron return with Saturn on my Mars/Asc Chiron Uranus t-square OK. (Elsa has had to peel me off the ceiling a couple times recently.)

You are already Plutonian. It's probably going to be easier for you than it was for me because the terrain is familiar. Gives you an advantage.

My Saturn in the 4th house says get a grip on your emotions & you'll be OK. Slap. You're getting hysterical like Prissy in Gone with the Wind & you can't be effective like that.