I think like any other sign out there, there are evolved and unevolved everything.

I dated a Pisces man once, and he was lazy. Too lazy. The only thing he EVER spent any energy on, was figuring out how to spend less energy. He worked at Blockbuster, and fully planned to work there forever. He got a raise of 25 cents per hour, and immediately calculated how much more beer per paycheck he could afford. Don't get me wrong - I'm a double Pisces. I've been known to be lazy myself. But. I also have a heavy dose of Capricorn/Saturn to keep me going. I know there's more to life, and I aim high, push myself hard.

I also dated a Pisces woman for a while, and she was not lazy, but she had substance abuse problems and (likely related) was SO incredibly needy and clingy. She was in this horrible world of self-imposed depression, and would use it to manipulate me. Tried to convince me she would be happy if only I would do this, this, and this for/with her. Self esteem issues like I'd never before seen... She was just terribly harmful to herself, and it was so hard to watch.

I don't want to sound like I'm shitting on Pisces though. Like I say, I'm a double Pisces, and PROUD of it. It's like any other sign. Some people carry it well, some people just don't know how to handle it, ya know?

I'm dating a very Piscean guy, Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter. Although he is not like any Pisces I've ever met! You could mistake him for a Capricorn. Very hardworking, steady, grounded, loving, loyal and sweet. Practical too. The only flaw that irritates me is that he always makes me choose things like where to go or what to eat. Sometimes I want a teensy bit of discrimination, my Virgo talking. But other than that, he is almost too good to be true. His Neptune is on my Sun though, so maybe he is, haha.

As a Pisces male, I don't think Pisces men are great in relationships with any other element. Only good for Scorpio and Cancer women.

Neptune needs a deep base for an emotional and almost unconscious bond, and if it doesn't have that it will get slippery and ambivalent. Also, to wake one up, you will need to stir up his emotions without putting on a facade. I think Pluto and the Moon are good with that from personal experience.

"I have started to find him weak on occasion but then reversed those thoughts when I remember that kindness is not weakness....I always try to remember that...."

Great point, Scorpioandproud! So many people assume that Pisces-types are useless piles of goo, never considering how much patience and emotional self-control (surprise!) is required to maintain high levels of kindness... And no matter how we may scoff at it when we're feeling strong, there inevitably comes a time when we all could use an oceanic wash of understanding.

In highschool, I was dating a guy (I'm a Sun, Moon and Rising by the way) until this (14/3) showed up.

He was in college (20), but I knew he was in my school for years, we were never friends, but he always said "Hi" everyday for 4 years and I knew nothing about him, so I just ignored him for that time. He did that weird "stare" thing to me, sometimes, without talking, just staring through my eyes for seconds. Well he was cute, and VERY handsome, but at that time I was interested in other kind of men (JERKS).

Well when I was with the , the pisces went to my highschool visiting friends. He always touched my shoulders and said "Hi" or "How are you?" and then ran away like in the past. One day I broke up with my Gemini cos' he cheated on me (OHMY), and the next day, the was there again. I was very upset and decided to give him a chance, so, when he was about to left I asked him his name. He just turned around and stare at me (that time lasted forever) said *his name* and smiled, then we spent the break talking about his life in college, he told me a lot of sweet things and left a nice feeling.

He disappeared for 3 months, then we met in the streets, the bus, and everywhere by any chance, he was just staring at me and didn't say anything! Even we could be face to face accidentaly and was, like fate. I was pretty dreamy and naive, I was 16, yes but I never had a real serius boyfriend, only assholes, so I was very fresh.

In christmas time, he added me to facebook and msn. We started to chat everyday and asked me to go to the beach and a trip with his parents, I refused both. Next week asked me to take a walk and eat icecream (LOL) I don't know why I rejected him so many times, just happened.

Finally, we had a date, he was staring at me with his dreamy eyes, then were 3 dates and he never asked me to be his girlfriend just kissed me, and then we were going out for 9 months, before I could realize I was stayin the nights in his flat.

Then the thuth came out, by one of his friends I knew he had a girlfriend, a 4 years relationship! she was in college miles away. I just went mad, ok, went MENTAL and he said a lot of crap (he didn't knew he was in a relationship with her (?), he wasn't even talking with her since 1 year ago, I didn't knew about her co's he just forget that subject) and so on.

I realized many things, like when I was logging in msn he changed his avatar picture (first was a picture of him and a girl smiling) and when the "Hii <3" thing came on the screen the photo was switched to a picture of him alone. Yes, it was the SAME girl The same girl I saw once walking with him, even talking at him while he stop and turned around to stare at me in the middle of the street. I discovered his paralel facebook profile "in a relationship" with this girl, with a lot of pictures of them kissing, and partying with their friends on holidays! when we just started to date and recent pictures too.

So I took all my stuff and I got my ass out of that flat. He was calling me, texting me, and playing the "victim" after that, staring at me with watery teary eyes in the street, yelling that I was never in love with him, that I used him from the start, that his heart was broken, that he would never love me again cos' I was cruel and mean, and all that crap. Like I was the one trying to win him back again!

Short story, a few weeks later, the same friend told me that now he was dating a 14 years old girl and that his old girlfriend left him.

At the end, it was a HORROR experience, so I don't trust in them anymore, in men in general, but even less in men. So, that was all.

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