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Elsa
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$250K starting salary. You've just got to be smart.

https://twitter.com/burrytracker/status/1846607585820266502

This is the new trend, which I think will stick.

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The trend as no degree needed to have this earning potential? Or hedge funds? 

There is so much one can just learn on their own, via YouTube, for instance. Probably just best to view a wide variety of creators to cross reference for accuracy. And then, as with most things, you just need to do it: experience and skill-building are necessary. Guts and smarts, too.

 

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@allie120 degree not required.  Gamestop looking for product developers, advertised the same.

Talent is prioritized over education. This is how it was when I got a job at Frito Lay, ahead of my competitor, a man with a Masters in Marketing.

"We're going to take a chance on you, Elsa."

"Good!  I would hope so. I shaved my legs to come here!"

This was also part of my 3rd interview:

"We're down to to candidates. Your competition has a Masters degree in marketing. Why should we hire you, over him?"

"Well I know you're going to hire me, or you'd have never told me that," I responded, knowing I was right.

Really, I was an offer they couldn't refuse. I rose to number one so it was a good call, even though I showed up for work the first day, wearing flip flops.

Raw talent is just that, even it's not yet been tamed or trained. And it can't be taught.

They rightly thought if I could talk them into hiring me, I could talk a store manager into putting Doritos on the end cap!

 

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@elsa I like that! Think about the careers people have: so many just need to get experience doing.

If you want to sell, start a business, be a filmmaker … does one need a degree? Or maybe just go work with someone or watch/read instructional sources or just go try it.

So, you did that, too!

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@allie120 they have bartending schools too. I just got behind the bar @ 15 and figured it out.

It just depends. What's nice is the option is opening up. It's a shame to stick organically talented people on the sideline.  Like do you need a degree to play football, if you can naturally play football?

It's thinks like this that give me hope, the power structure is in fact, being dismantled.

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@elsa Exactly!

I think this can be true for teachers, too. If parents, talented adults in the community, have been able to teach children for millennia, why are advanced degrees necessary? There are programs to fast track people in the business community, industries, professions, to become teachers. So unless it’s a more advanced study, is a teaching degree really necessary? Just my 2 cents.

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@allie120 what if they made the degrees necessary, to lock people into student loans?

It's not that I am against education. But there are a lot of jobs, where you can learn more, faster, on the job, especially if you're motivated and well suited to the job... then you can, going to school.

It's not at all uncommon, people graduate college with heavy student loans and still learn 90% on the job.

But I think education has degraded to such a degree, in today's world, people want to hire a phenom, for certain positions.

Like the hedge fund needs an algorithm that's off the chain.  Gamestop needs a product developer that loves gaming and understand the community.

Frito wanted the person who could sell the most product - that was me. 

I would not be hired in this day an age. No degree.  We have suffered terribly due to these policies, so like I said, this trend gives me hope. 

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@elsa I was thinking as well: a self-perpetuating industry. Many benefit but the student (future teacher)? Not as much. And yes, chained to debt. 

Higher education used to be challenging to obtain. It was competitive. Now anyone can go and it’s often 13th grade or something to do because you don’t know what else to do. I’m not against education either. But it makes much of education before that seem useless. There’s a lot of fluff. And it’s been sold as offering niceties that people are groomed to expect which becomes “needs”.

If we all pay into schools, then why must people pay for the illusion of continuing education. It’s a control thing. 

And you’re right: you have to learn on the job anyway, for most things. Of course there are exceptions.

Ok off my soapbox.

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I am for choice. I personally would hire talent, with or without education,  which is what this hedge fund is doing... and gamestop as well. I think this is shifting.

And also,  compensation commiserate with the value a  person brings to the company.

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@elsa 💯

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@elsa Yes, I agree!. A great smile, charisma, and a super work ethic can and should, take one to great heights.

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