"They are not helping people in North Carolina."
"They are helping people in North Carolina.."
"This is fake."
"That is not fake."
"Poison!"
"Not poison."
Now let's just say you value and care for the person you're talking too. You want to maintain the relationship. How do you do this?
I am trying, but I find virtually NO ONE who wants to talk about anything but all the debate points.
Have our lives been reduced to a point where all we do is disagree... or isolate?
Does anyone ONE person agree with any other ONE person, down the line?
Can we ever break this spell. Does anyone (besides me) even want to?
I think I’m better in person because there’s a face there. But I talk to so few people about controversial or debatable topics. Or if I do and we agree, I must sound like a tinfoil hat wearer and I am waiting for them to add some, too. So I get to read the conversation via body language and adjust. There’s no fight (I would hate that) but sometimes it’s not much. And maybe they’re not interested.
OTOH, I have had some good conversations with some people online. Some people are really good at diving in and they offer a hand, so it’s more welcoming. Or sometimes I like to sit on the sidelines and just “listen”.
I’m trying to learn tonlet go more but some days I’m just extra.
Same here! It's so rewarding to recognize and bond with others on the same page, or even a few pages ahead.
@warped I forgot to mention that I have one brother-in-law who’s even further out than I am so it’s really interesting to talk to him. But we just talk off to the side. He sends me links frequently. Some of the stuff is way fringe but it doesn’t bother me. It is interesting. And really, it’s interesting to see that wild stuff out there, no matter my own thoughts on it.
I want to know what other people are doing, not doing, as well regarding this topic.
@allie120 I'm quiet at this point, because the things I think are true, piss everyone off - universal rage. Also, what I see more recently, is what I put in the original post. That's not a conversation. "Why do you think that?" No one asks that, because clearly, they don't care.
And even if this is asked, I am shouted down, before I can even begin to make a point or offer evidence, which is right in all of our faces.
I am largely, "believe what you want to believe." Because people who know it all are abusive as hell... and also dangerous.
I am fortunate to agree on a lot, with the people who live in my area. Ten Commandments, basically, so I don't have a lot of problems, day to day.
This is not an issue in my most consultations, because we are talking about the other person's life. Sometimes it comes up, but it's never the focus.
I think many just want to yell until they're red in the face. I have a finer mind that that... and I hate seeing, blood, which is what a ranting person's face is full of.
If a person needs to believe something that badly, I don't think it's any different than every day psychological denial of things we can't handle, or can't handle, yet.
I also see that the "truth" and figuring things out, is my passion; that others do not share. So right now, I am looking for things I do share with others... I guess it's stories during exercise class and sharing bread recipes.
I mean, people don't want to do anything or go anywhere, for whatever reason. No money, often enough. So I'm here and just hope we can maintain this place because there is no doubt, people will be herded onto platforms where their voices will quickly disappear, replaced by 100% AI generated content... mostly likely, reinforcing the worst parts of a person, and their stupidest beliefs, all day, every day, because this is the game. The very successful game.
"Why do you think that?"
That’s a great question and you’re right that it’s not a point during a conversation. It could be a turning point. Maybe, if one can, one can make it a goal to ask. I mean me, as well, because I do often in real life, less frequently online. When I have, it’s nice and definitely calms things or, if I’m already calm, an opening to information.
Yes, people definitely want to yell and take their anger out on the thing dressed up as a person. I know I do. Because we still feel injustices, however right/wrong/useless/misdirected it is.
“If a person needs to believe something that badly, I don't think it's any different than every day psychological denial of things we can't handle, or can't handle, yet.”
This is an incredible insight. I can think of many instances where people have told stories of having had their eyes open or their worlds shattered or shifted because of something. To the point they thought they must have been blind or sleeping before. But many feel security and comfort in the familiar.
”I also see that the "truth" and figuring things out, is my passion; that others do not share.”
I know this about you just because of your insights and things you’ve said but not said too much. I do understand why. I’m fascinated with what you know and I want to know, too but I’m not sure it works that way. So I often do wonder what you think about things because it all seems so big and so small at once. I can’t explain but it remjnds me of my Alice in Wonderland Syndrome.
Thank you!
@allie120 Thank you for seeing me. The damn thing is just too big to try to cover when a person wants to fight you on every word, which they do.
This is song as old as time, on that level. People who think they know everything can't learn. Henry explained this to me when I was five years old. Keep an open mind!
I am hoping this is like astrology. Could not talk about it, for DECADES, and now look.
So I guess this might be the same. I knew all kinds of shit and never said a word, until that fateful day, I posted a link in a forum about Mercury retrograde. People asked questions and most of them listened... very different world. I quickly proved myself because motherfucker, I don't play!
Those people on that forum, some who are still here today (some have died), were how I and everyone else found out, I had something to say, something to share and a fun way to share it.
You just never know who you're in a room with. And if you never ask questions, you never will.
I have the exercise ladies, new to me; they constantly ask questions. I guess this is the land that time forgot. In whatever case, I'm glad I live here.
I will say this, life is different on the other side of the veil. It's much better, but this is only my judgment and I am weird.
See, as is, all people have to talk about is the chum these bastards throw in the water every day. Scratch for the chickens.
If you can get beyond that, you can actually get your brain back.
My oldest sister is a retired Army Major. Talked to her today and she is headed down to Texas to get trained through FEMA to help with hurricane relief!
She said most people are going to North Carolina but there are also people headed to Florida.
To stay on topic. I think it’s lack of trust. People have lost trust in everything which in turn reduces knowledge down to assumption. Then, assumptions become truth and it’s hard to dissuade from what one believes to be true and lack of trust makes one hold in to that truth. I prefer to be open minded- because sometimes the truth comes in bits and pieces and it’s hard to see the whole picture when you’re standing in the middle of shit.
deep down I believe people want to connect. Naturally we are social beings. The right now is just turbulent.
have grace and give space!