Hello Elsa, This question is about someone who tries to solve everyone else’s problems and wants to talk about it all the time.
I have a fair amount of Libra, but I don’t have Mars in Libra. You have mentioned your own Mars in Libra and I’m sure that you know more about this than most, by far. The person in question has a stellium in Libra including Mars, and also has a Scorpio Moon.
Today it was, ‘Do you think so and so’s child needs counseling?’ I’m sure you can tell, I found that annoying. Its not the needle in the haystack though, it’s every damn straw. The last one too. Laughs. The word incorrigible comes to mind.
Perhaps its a Saturn in Pisces thing with water seeping into every nook and cranny and dissolving boundaries? Would you be able to comment on this?
RD
Canada
I’m not sure I would give this to Libra or to Mars in Libra, but I can see it’s possible. I say this, because while I don’t have the whole chart, Libra tends to be socially savvy. Mars can mess that up.
It’s possible the Mars-ruled Scorpio moon expresses it’s shadow via Mars in Libra, with this roundabout attack on this other person. Trying to get you to be their partner in crime aka this shadowy behavior.
If this is the case, the person may be acting sub or semiconsciously. I say this, because they sound a bit stupid, in that they are trying to enlist you: an unwilling partner.
Why, when it’s so easy to find people who are happy to engage in gossip?
It makes me think this person is not on top of what they’re doing.
I feel this explanation is logical, but I’m not convinced it’s correct. The lack of boundaries may play, but based on what you’re reporting, Saturn is not particularly active in their chart, so I can’t draw that conclusion either.
I have been very closely associated with three different heavy Libra people with Scorpio moons. They were all stunningly sophisticated, on the social level. Reading people and such. This leads me to think person is a bit dense. Handle accordingly.
Anyone else have ideas?
Wow, quick turn around. Thank you. I hope that this post is helpful for others.
Some additional details. Their natal chart includes Saturn Rx in Gemini in the 3rd house. Saturn trines to all the Libra.
Moon is opposite Uranus.
Unconscious emotional patterns?
Aging is likely a factor too. Ten years ago, all the social grace of Libra was evident and there is still some for sure. Now maybe the unconscious patterns are exerting themselves more strenuously.
I keep coming back to empathy and remind others that are affected of this too.
Still, it is challenging.
I was engaged to a Libra sun, Scorpio moon man many years ago. He didn’t really gossip much with me. I’m really not the gossip type with all this Taurus. But his best female friend (a Leo Sun) was a typical Mean Girl type and would shred people to bits when they would chat. He found her funny and would indulge her when she wanted to gossip. I’m guessing it was both entertaining and flattering that she wanted to chat with him since she was so judgy to most everyone else. He was very good socially. He was good at hiding his shadow side. He would be whatever you wanted/needed to win your over. He went to great lengths to conceal things from me. He had no problem lying, gaslighting, pretending innocence or hiding his true self. But he was no dummy, especially with people. Underneath all that was just a person who just didn’t love himself and who would do sketchy things to keep feeling loved and validated.
This sounds like Mars in Libra more than Libra Sun, Scorpio Moon. The way Mars in Libra involves itself in other people’s lives is shocking, ranging from annoying to insidious.
I have Mars in Libra and I leave people the hell alone. Mars in Libra, also tends to want to get along… which means you don’t make trouble for others?
I don’t think “shock” or “insidious” fit with Mars in Libra / air. There’s probably another factor with whoever(s) you are talking about.
I meant it’s shocking to me, because it’s so different from what makes sense to me. I wish I saw more Mars in Libras (in my life) live and let live! The Mars in Libras I’ve known do have many connections (ready to go at a moments notice), but I wouldn’t call it “getting along” for the sake of getting along. Not to say there aren’t those who do want to just get along, but what I’ve observed is their connections are more opportunistic than not. “If you’re not with me, you’re against me,” is how the many Mars Libras I’ve known operate, that’s just foreign to me. I want to get along, but I’m not a joiner, especially when there’s some social crucifixion going on which, to get back to the post, is really just being in someone’s business they have no business being in. There are mitigations in every chart, of course, and one placement doesn’t make a whole person, but that’s true of every placement we can talk about. Astrologically, Mars is just as unhappy in Libra as it is in Cancer. When you think about its opposite Aries, with its self driven focus and direct nature, it makes sense that in Libra, it would be other-driven or involved (referencing the post), and less direct, for good or ill.
What you’re saying makes sense. I certainly know of the detriment. Striving to please the other as a way of life, here. Having to be nice, when you want to kill. Definitely not fun!
I didn’t mean to offend, Elsa. The posters experience just rang true for me. Being nice when you want to kill seems a better choice than being nice while orchestrating the kill, an unfortunate experience I’ve had with Mars in Libra for not joining in their hate for someone. That’s what I meant by insidious. It was scary, doing what I felt was right (not gossiping) and being made a target.
No worries. I didn’t take it personal. I just read all kinds of astro things on the internet and have personal experience with this in particular.
It’s also Mars (conjunct Mercury) in Libra, providing balance. I resist the impulse to do this, on the internet at large, 99% of the time. I resist it on my own site, a lot of the time, but in this case, I thought I was in a good position, to provide personal testimony.
Also, this seems interesting. I have be socially cut off for standing against gossip, more times than I care to count. It goes both ways, it seems.
As always, the individual holding the knife has everything to say about how it’s used.
“As always, the individual holding the knife has everything to say about how it’s used.”
Solid advice, I’m still learning.
I have referred to the subject of this post as Agressively (Mars) Nice (Libra) before. My wife who is not into Astrology, but will listen to my astrological thoughts now and then, thought this was an apt description.
Thanks to Tara and buendia for commenting on this post.
I appreciated your comments, but didn’t have anything else to add.