With Mars squaring Saturn, I'm thinking about violence. I found this old thread which has some interesting ideas - Violence in A Natal Chart.
I just had someone assert, a violent person will always be violent.
Do you think it's true?
Of course people can change their ways. I’ve seen many people radically change their modes of being. I’ve radically changed my mode of being!
Goodness, what kind of human doesn’t think people are capable of betterment? Thats an incredibly dark place imo. And how do they apply that to themselves? Can they ever change, even an iota? I’m not saying that it wouldn’t take either a cataclysmic life event ir applied will power, but to just say that it’s not possible at all is just straight up wrong.
No, those energies can be channeled. Martial arts is a great example of aggression being managed that way.
What about a pedophile?
@elsa I don’t think pedophilic preferences can be changed but actions can. Child sexual abusers make a choice to act on their impulses. There’s another choice that one can make there. I watched a documentary on a man who was sexually attracted to children but had never followed through with it (he claimed that- I believed him). Ill see if I can find it, it was fascinating.
Also, I feel compelled to violence on a sporadic basis. I choose not to act on it. I’ve never initiated a physical fight, but have felt the urge a bazillion times. I chose not to. It’s that old black horse/white horse thing.
This is also making me think about how karma works (this is a Mars/Saturn question in my mind). Are we karmically responsible for our thoughts as well as our actions. I assert that we are only karmically responsible for our actions. Is my thoughts about violence hurting anyone? Im not saying that’s healthy for me to have those thoughts, but it’s a heck of a lot more healthy than enacting them.
Now, would I let this guy hang out with my son- hell no. But it does illustrate that sexual violence against a child is a CHOICE, and therefore condemnable.
@libra-noir I get your point but the guy said he never offended which would make him non-violent to begin with?
@elsa Yes, but it shows that there is choice involved. So CAN a pedophile change his actions? Absolutely. He has Freewill. WILL he change his actions? That’s also Freewill. I doubt that it’s common or normal for that to happen, but there’s no doubt in my mind that it’s POSSIBLE because people make choices. It might not be probable and is probably rare and I wouldn’t bet on it, but I know that if someone can make one choice, they can make another choice.
It’s up to them. They are responsible for whatever they do. I feel that when we say that someone can not be another way than what they are, we are basically saying that they are not culpable for their behavior, because it’s already determined (determined by what, I ask?), determinism.
So ultimately my answer to the question of wether or not someone can change their violent and/or pedophilic TENDENCIES is- if they want to.
But how many truly want to change? Seems like we point the finger to our parents, and when they don’t accept responsibility we point to God, and when God doesn’t even take responsibility for our actions and shows us our own Freewill theres only self to blame. At least that’s how it happened for me.
And if violent asshole can get away with hurting people by claiming “it’s just my nature”, how slippery of a slope is that? That slope ends in true materialistic, amoral, infantile and base level consciousness, where no true individuality exists. Honestly, I feel that determinism evil. Freewill is Holy.
Of course there’s the element of chaos too, but Freewill even works there, because we make choices about our reactions to impulses and events.
1st house stellium here, so the house closest to Aries!?? I can be violent and intense. I don't think it's all trauma from my childhood. I think I'm just a very explosive person! I dissolve myself from a situation, if I feel that 'it' coming, or that I will just hurt the people there! I'd say 60% of it is trauma from my childhood, but 40% of it is just who is just who I am!
That forcefulness will always be there. A friend of mine said that I was like three bombs waiting to explode when I was at my worst, in my 20's! She even said that she would leave the friendship if I didn't work on myself, and she was/is right!
No, I have never punched anyone, but my words can be very violent! And I have thrown things before. Just an opinion from someone who can be very forceful and violent!