strawb. said
positivevibes121 said
Uranus is just so unpredictable,that a person with Uranus hard aspect to Mars when angry is capable of anything because it is so unpredictable.
Saturn is more so reserved,but I look at that as the "Incredible Hulk" because they will be a bit reserved but when they blow all of the frustrations they have been holding onto finally unleash.
Pluto in the first also could make one have a violent temper.
I have all 3 of those. I'm not violent but I do have a temper (doesnt everyone?). I'm lucky I have Mars in Virgo which tones it down a bit...earth is slow and not as easily angered but the square to fiery Uranus is still the emotional equivalent of trying to suppress a thunderstorm at times. The Saturn square which is the tighter aspect for me controls it, and the most Mars in Virgo does it unleash a verbal tirade or go to a deep freeze while Scorpio Pluto plans to deliver consequences stone cold. All of this is not helped by having Moon in the 8t house except it's in Gemini, so again there's detachment which is helpful to me.
Its important for anyone Mars/Saturn to not let things fester.
Family members with actual violent temper have Mars in Cancer square Aries Moon, and the other one has Mars in Cancer square Libra Pluto and another fiery Leo Moon. Cardinal is more explosive than mutable. Fire is more explosive usually than earth or air.
I think any difficult combination of Mars with Pluto, Uranus, Saturn can do it. Interesting Elisa mentionned Jupiter....Jupiter does technically expand...
A dangerous person I know has Aqua Mars square Scorpio Pluto (and a stellium in Scorpio) very watery chart with Moon square Uranus, emotionally volatile too.
For me looking at the Moon is important too because it will also show how someone deals with their emotions and how emotionally volatile they are which is a part of this problem.
See that's why I think Mars square Saturn is so dangerous IF one doesn't have anywhere to release that negative energy,the blow up could be big time.
My cousin has Mars(Pisces) square Uranus(Sag),Saturn(Sag),Mercury(Gemini),and his Mars also makes a sextile to Jupiter(Taurus) which also makes that square even bigger.He has a Taurus Moon but it has all trines except for his Moon opposite Pluto,with Pluto in his first house,he has been in plenty fist fights,but actual rage has only happened a few times,but when he gets angry he seriously loses it,rage rage rage,to the point even as an adult tears will form and he starts sweating because he gets that angry and intense! And we all know that Taurus Moon can really blow it's top when upset,possibly the worst Moon when angry because they hold back for so long.
Moon as you said is anger as well,but I look at Moon and Mars because Moon is emotions,Mars is ACTION,Moon will tell us how quick or how angry one may get,but Mars lets us know if they will violently go after you or not in my opinion.
strawb. said
positivevibes121 said
Uranus is just so unpredictable,that a person with Uranus hard aspect to Mars when angry is capable of anything because it is so unpredictable.
Saturn is more so reserved,but I look at that as the "Incredible Hulk" because they will be a bit reserved but when they blow all of the frustrations they have been holding onto finally unleash.
Pluto in the first also could make one have a violent temper.
I have all 3 of those. I'm not violent but I do have a temper (doesnt everyone?). I'm lucky I have Mars in Virgo which tones it down a bit...earth is slow and not as easily angered but the square to fiery Uranus is still the emotional equivalent of trying to suppress a thunderstorm at times. The Saturn square which is the tighter aspect for me controls it, and the most Mars in Virgo does it unleash a verbal tirade or go to a deep freeze while Scorpio Pluto plans to deliver consequences stone cold. All of this is not helped by having Moon in the 8t house except it's in Gemini, so again there's detachment which is helpful to me.
Its important for anyone Mars/Saturn to not let things fester.
Family members with actual violent temper have Mars in Cancer square Aries Moon, and the other one has Mars in Cancer square Libra Pluto and another fiery Leo Moon. Cardinal is more explosive than mutable. Fire is more explosive usually than earth or air.
I think any difficult combination of Mars with Pluto, Uranus, Saturn can do it. Interesting Elisa mentionned Jupiter....Jupiter does technically expand...
A dangerous person I know has Aqua Mars square Scorpio Pluto (and a stellium in Scorpio) very watery chart with Moon square Uranus, emotionally volatile too.
For me looking at the Moon is important too because it will also show how someone deals with their emotions and how emotionally volatile they are which is a part of this problem.
i was surprised with Jupiter too, but it does kind of make sense. I read that article on George Zimmerman on the astrology of it, the astrologer mentioned Zimmerman's mars virgo squaring Jupiter Sagittarius and Uranus Sagittarius (both so close together in his chart) and even after the incident of treyvon, he was very violent to his girlfriends and lashed out, so it's "normal" for him to be very very violent, and he is sneaky about it. They don't have his time of birth but he has two major virgo planets squaring three Sagittarius planets, two of them Jupiter and Uranus, big time explosion. The moon, i dont know how it plays in there, but i dont see squares to his moon. he could have a virgo moon and make more squares to the stellium Sagittarius.
Well, Jupiter expands, good and bad.
Mars conjunct Pluto can have violent, dominant tendencies, as I have seen and heard. When it is used positively it can lead fearlessly. Negatively and not controlled and with no regard for others, it can be abusive.
allie120 said
Well, Jupiter expands, good and bad.Mars conjunct Pluto can have violent, dominant tendencies, as I have seen and heard. When it is used positively it can lead fearlessly. Negatively and not controlled and with no regard for others, it can be abusive.
Ghandi has this I believe
I was reading something unrelated yesterday but it mentionned a Taurus Mars getting physically violent when angry because its an earth sign... and it said earth does something physical (ex: violence) when angry. hmm could make sense.
I thought back to a musician I love, Jack White, has Mars in Taurus and he beat the crap out of some other musician one time and we saw his pictures with blue eyes, battered and bruised. He has Mars inconjunct Pluto.
Chris Brown has Mars in Cancer opposite Uranus, Neptune, Saturn. He is a Taurus.
An old coworker of mine was in an abusive relationship with a Taurus. He would lay hands on her and she'd have bruises on her body and wear long sleeves to hide them. I forgot his birth date but just remember his sun sign.
I talk about the Moon because anger is an emotion, after all, even though Mars is how we express it. The fire Moons I know are much more volatile than the Air moons, generally. My ex boyfriend is very airy (double Aqua) with Mars conjunct Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius and in all our years today I never saw him lose his temper. I, the earth Mars square Saturn and Uranus could be losing it and he'd be able to remain very calm and detached.
I agree Mars/Uranus is volatile though. Anger is lightning quick and you lose all common sense. Mars/Saturn and Mars/Pluto is more... sadistic maybe?
Here goes all the hard Mars aspects that were explained very thoroughly,besides Pluto which the author hadn't listed for some reason,but this is why i think Mars square Uranus and Saturn are very deadly as well if not controlled,especially Uranus because it's so unpredictable:
The Sun square or opposition to Mars endows the person with an abundance of energy, the faculty of leadership, but they are turned to purposes of deviltry and destruction; the courage implanted by the good aspects becomes foolhardiness and the person has a loud, overbearing, swaggering manner and is ready to fight at the drop of a hat; he is always in opposition to the constituted authority and ready to rebel wherever he sees a chance, he has an extremely fiery temper but holds not resentment. On account of these qualities he is universally disliked by both employees and his fellow workers, always in hot water and never stays long in any place for he is an agitator and trouble maker. These aspects also dispose to accidents in which the person may be maimed, to gunshot and knife-wounds, also to scalding, fevers, and inflammatory complaints, boils and eruptions
Venus square or opposition to Mars gives a very voluptuous and sensuous disposition, liable to gross excesses in the gratification of the passions which will sap the vitality. It is likely to break down the health and constitution, leaving the person a wreck on the sea of life if it is allowed free scope. These people are altogether too generous, especially where the opposite sex is concerned. They are very extravagant and on that account spend more than they can afford on themselves, besides what they squander on their many AMOURS, so that no matter how much money they make, they are generally in financial difficulty, and not infrequently they figure as defendants in the debtor's court. If Mars or Venus is in Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces there is a tendency to such dissolute and dissipated living, such a craving for low pleasures that, if indulged, it will drag the human being down below the level of animals.
Mercury square or opposition to Mars makes people quick-witted, sharp and alert, quick-tempered, impulsive and excitable, liable to jump at conclusions and act before they think with the inevitable result that they are always getting themselves or other people into trouble, hence they are dangerous associates. They are born prevaricators and utterly incapable of making an exact statement. It is just as natural for them to color or exaggerate their statements as it is to breathe. They are vitriolic in their wrath and their tongues are more poisonous than the bite of a rattlesnake, hence they are either feared or hated by those who are unfortunate enough to be bound to them by environment; all who can, shun them. They are bullies who are bound either to rule or ruin wherever they are and they allow no obstacle to stand in their way which can be removed either by force or slander. They are the acme of selfishness, swagger and consummate egotism. The foregoing tendencies may of course be modified by other aspects, but if they are not, such people are a menace to society. If either Mars or Mercury is placed in the Sixth or Twelfth House or in any other position so that the bad aspect acts upon the health, there is a liability to nervous prostration, brain fever and insanity.
The Moon square or opposition to Mars gives a very quick temper and a tendency to hasty or impulsive expressions and acts that may cause such people a great deal of sorrow and trouble. They resent rules or regulations or any other measures that tend to curb their desires or the gratification of their appetites in whatever direction. But if they are in authority they aver domineering and exacting in their demands for instant obedience upon the part of others, not do they hesitate to use whatever physical force may be necessary to compel obedience if they thing they can do so without too great danger to themselves. Sometimes they will take desperate chances to satisfy their spite. Having an improperly balanced mind they are foolhardy in their venturesomeness and upon occasion they will attempt to do things which no one in his sane mind would try. On account of the foregoing characteristic such people make many enemies and cause a great deal of suffering to others, particularly among members of their immediate family who cannot very well get away from them. If these aspects occur in watery signs, particularly with Mars or the Moon in Pisces the person is also an inveterate drunkard. From the standpoint of health they give a tendency to accidents by fire and water, to fevers and acute inflammatory diseases, wounds and gunshot, diseases of the genitals, too copious menses, danger in parturition and indigestion.
Saturn conjunction, parallel, square or opposition to Mars are thoroughly bad aspects indicating a selfish, violent, harsh and cruel nature, quick tempered and vindictive, absolutely dishonest, untruthful and unscrupulous, giving liability to public disgrace and imprisonment, also to accident and violent death, and if one of the planets is essentially dignified or exalted the evil influence is much enhanced. It should also be remembered that such serious defects do not result from one aspect alone and if the other configurations in the horoscope are good the foregoing delineation will only apply in a mild measure.
Jupiter square or opposition to Mars is the signature of the gambler and if one of the planets is in a watery sign, especially in Pisces he will be a drunkard also, a tricky, dishonest and disreputable character who always acts through impulse. With respect to health we find that these people suffer principally from blood and liver complaints; the circulation is poor and the blood is so rich that there is danger of apoplexy
Uranus conjunction, parallel, square, or opposition to Mars gives an erratic and eccentric disposition, a violent temper of the worst nature, an unusually resentment of even the slightest restraint and gives the person a stubborn, headstrong and dogged determination to go ahead in any line of action upon which he has decided no matter what the outcome. He will listed to neither reason nor entreaty but follows his own course in defiance of all. People with these configurations often become anarchists of the reddest type for they do not stop even at the shedding of blood if other testimonies in the figure concur. They are cruel, hard and cold with out a spark of true love through they may be in flamed with passion of the most burning intensity. This is particularly the case when Mars is square Uranus and either planet is placed in Taurus or Scorpio. In a woman's horoscope Mars square Uranus usually leads to seduction no matter where placed, but if in Taurus or Scorpio escape is almost impossible. The other characteristics of these planets in these configurations work themselves out according to the signs wherein they are placed so that their placement in Taurus or Scorpio work upon the sex which is governed by these signs. When one of these planets is in Scorpio if the person takes up the profession of surgery be will become very cruel and unfeeling, ready to operate for the mere pleasure of causing pain and in consequence or in pursuit of this passion he will probably take up vivisection and develop an unusual ingenuity in torturing his victims. With Mars or Uranus in Scorpio or Pisces he will be underhanded to tricky though he may show a very different front to the public. In Aries it will make a rattlebrain, in Gemini and Virgo an unusually quick mentality but quick in seeing only how to trick others, in Sagittarius it will make the person very materialistic, atheistic or fanatical against the established religion or society; thus the planets blend their nature with each individual sign.