I want to add that with Chiron, you "feel" like the relationship is beneficial the whole time, you are meant to "heal" each other somehow. Once that cracks appear you realize the delusions and then you face your own vulnerability and that's when the emotional castration takes affect.
one more strange bond I have with is my father is our moons are conjunct. Its a nightmare! ALOT of boundary crossing craziness. I would NEVER be comfortable having this in a romantic relationship or friendship, its TOO invasive, it is insane! Ive read a few men really like this with their partners on another forum, I don't understand why, this would absolutely take away from any romantic feeling I would have towards another.
One last thing in pluto relationships, I was completely and totally OBSESSED (I have been moon, pluto and mars).. when the tables where turned and I was pluto (with several different people), I could not stand the planet person at all, I couldn't wait to get away and I sensed their obsession with me, I had absolute repulsion. I think Ive read that pluto-venus was more mutual though. But other than that Pluto sucks.
and 8th house contacts can be absolutely flipping crazy on both sides alternating between sexual domination, mental and emotional manipulation, painful sexual attraction, exhilaration and sheer humiliation (don't ask).
On a lot of forums it seems that pluto obsessions tend to theme out. Having been on both sides of the fence (planet and pluto) I can understand how a less evolved male or female that comes with pluto would try and humiliate or manuipulate the planet person in an extremely negative sense, from a place of disgust or perhaps as an attempt to experience power at the loss of someone elses. This could be emotionally abusive to the planet person if pluto has low self esteem and/or sociopathic tendencies and the planet person will be more and more obsessed perhaps for longer than the lesson or karma needs to play out for.
If you are the pluto person and you sense the obsession from ms. or mr. planet, I think its Best to confront it compassionately and end contact, but really let them know you are NOT INTERESTED. the pain of obsession is absolutely horrendous for the other person, so please have COMPASSION and do not feed off their pain, which is truly awful, luckily I was the planet person on all counts first before being pluto so even though I was disgusted/repulsed as pluto I still understood and had compassion for the planet person and I did my very best to guide them away from me for their best.
Julia said
emotional devastation is pluto to venus, moon, mars or sun… pluto power and almost never mutual give and take, usually its the planet person left in emotional devastation.
w-o-a-h! That was/is a loaded paragraph! I experienced my pluto conj their pluto that involved a t-square (pluto, venus, moon) Lord have mercy! I was left in emotional devastation. Was h.e.l.l. to pull off that one! I have my sanity back.
What are some signs of obsession from the planet person? I always thought pluto was obsessive ? I'm so confused lol
sunnyP said
Julia said
emotional devastation is pluto to venus, moon, mars or sun… pluto power and almost never mutual give and take, usually its the planet person left in emotional devastation.w-o-a-h! That was/is a loaded paragraph! I experienced my pluto conj their pluto that involved a t-square (pluto, venus, moon) Lord have mercy! I was left in emotional devastation. Was h.e.l.l. to pull off that one! I have my sanity back.
sounds intense!