To add a bit more, something I’ve noticed that happens when someone tells another person they can’t do something (they’re not good enough or they have some sort of unresolvable flaw), the person making this judgement eventually comes undone. This is a consequence of their shadow — specifically not confronting their shadow. Now that the person overcame the thing, they have to look at themselves. Sort of a consequence of their own judgements falling upon them. See, because whatever they are projecting onto you is actually their own stuff. Eventually their judgement will come back on them. They can then decide what to do with it. Whether they look at themselves or not is up to them. It’s not really your problem then. We’re all constantly learning about ourselves through others. Usually it’s the painful experiences that we grow from the most. It’s okay to let this drive you whether for spite or not. Either way, you will grow and they will also grow.
This quote is somehow somewhat relevant.
“People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” -Jung
I would replace the word soul with shadow.
Imo, it’s psychological warfare for both sides in a situation like this if the desire to prove them wrong is strong enough. At least for me, I wouldn’t bother if that person and their opinion did not mean something to me. This is just my opinion. I’m pretty steeped in the 8H. I understand it’s not everyone’s cup of tea…I do think this is Pluto/8H territory.
@sirena-oceana Due to early rejection of the soul identity because of social attitudes, behaviours, etc, the soul is banished into the realms of shadow emotions and experiences. This is why the journey back to the soul identity is so fraught, dark night of the soul, etc, because it's generally in bad shape from the process of such exclusion and denial.
I’m thinking about a few instances.
When I was about 15 we had family problems. I acted out some but nothing illegal, more rebellious and stretching my wings. Not perfect but I think my parents overreacted poorly(lots going on). My mother was mad at me and said something very horrible to me, about me. At the time and for years after, my attitude was to laugh inside about it and think, lol Fuck you, it’s a little late for that. It carried me well until it somehow meshed up with a bout of depression (not because of what she said but it became very entangled). I dealt with that, anyway. And all through it, I realized that my mom was a person first, a frustrated wife and parent.
So, if it was a knife on me, I put it in the drawer after it was given to me, flashed it around a bit, felt sad and could have used it on myself at one point, but eventually put it in the knife drawer where it belongs.
Then there were other times where you’re* being run up and down about something because someone is angry, they’re yelling and lecturing about you have no idea what the connection is. It’s scary but also so stupid and funny. You know you’re supposed to have the lines in the script memorized 🤷🏻♀️ . So after you’re just annoyed. Then you laugh because now this can go in the absurd junk drawer that you look at when you need a laugh.
And then other times someone will be mad at me and hate the things I like so it’s my pleasure to go full on enjoy all these “hated” things on my own, with a flourish.
lol I don’t know if this is spite or stabbing knives or what but it kind of feels like it.
*me
oh…I don’t know the astrology. All I can think is that it’s my Uranus Pluto moon conj, going deep then seeing the absurdity everywhere.
YES!! I have been driven by spite plenty of times. I chalked it up to Pluto directly squaring my Sun and Mercury. I've started to outgrow the need to live that way though. I still get the same thoughts, but I have tampered them. I had to be kinda hard on myself to manage it.
I think spite can be a healthy motivator and it's definitely something that has driven me at times throughout my life. It's never been enough to bring me to the finish line on its own, more a tool I can use in my back pocket. Under the right circumstance it has more power - I can see the circumstance you described being like that.
Astrologically I would most likely attribute this to Mars square Ascendant.
Driven by spite.
Mars Square Pluto
Yeah