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Libra Noir
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I feel, after lots of experience with Pluto (natally, synastry and transits. When I say Plutonian person in this post, Im speaking of any of the three) that often Pluto exhibits itself a lot through humiliating circumstances. In every experience Ive had where I could attribute a Pluto influence, humiliation was a component. 

Defining humiliation, I was thinking that it’s an affront to personal dignity or the opposite of dignity. 

Also, it ALWAYS comes with a loss of power. That makes me consider the fact that that’s often what the Plutonian person is wounded by and intensely focused on preserving. For the Plutonian person a loss of power is incredibly humiliating in and of itself. 

Just to clarify, Im not talking about the power that corrupts. That comes from ego. Im talking about the power to have an authentic experience and authentic reactions and for them to be given the weight that they merit. 

I wanted to talk about this because for me, humiliation has been present in almost all stages of my life and in almost all facets. I almost take it as a given until something inside of me (probably Pluto too) compels me to leave a humiliating experience. Yes, I can look back on some things that I felt humiliation about and see that I had no reason to feel humiliated. But the feeling was still there for me. Also, I felt for a long time that I was just too sensitive. Today I don’t think that’s the case at all. I think there are small personal slights that happen and subtle and not so subtle dehumanizing actions, that maybe others don’t see…but Pluto does. I don’t think it’s necessarily paranoia, at least in my case. I would say that Pluto is extra sensitive to this. Gaslighting is a part of it too. Im just trying to get in front of that here in case anyone wants to try to do that in regards to this post. Not trying to be bitchy, but ya know…it happens, and I feel really strongly that this message get out undiluted. It’s not something Ive really come across. 

Thanks for reading. 

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I think you're right. I know the feeling well. There's nothing worse.  Rape, that leaves you in a heap.  Or opening your heart to someone and being betrayed.  Mocking.  Cruelty.

Loss of power, that's undeserved?

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@elsa I agree there’s nothing worse. It cuts so deep.

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For me personally, all that you have said about the Pluto experience or energy is spot-on. It encapsulates very well a struggle for dignity that l have always known intimately. I recognize myself within this. 

I can identify an affront to dignity from a mile away. I think so many times the world minimizes and sweeps over abuses of autonomy. In my opinion it is normalized. Humiliation causes a lot of pain that's for sure but it is not helped by the fact that nobody wants to talk about it or look at it. It's as if you are expected to take repeated beatings and smile about it. It sure as hell isn't oversensitivity or paranoia. Pluto being subconscious ,coming to meet the conscious is the ICU of consciousness. The good news is you are the doctor.

The search for dignity is the lense that I see life through with Pluto as the ruler of my chart. Nothing matters without dignity. That is the mountain I die on. 

I appreciate reading what you wrote Libra Noir. The subject is important to me.

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@ln I appreciate your words. I was thinking about it being normalized as well. I think that falls under the gaslighting theme. It adds to the isolation of the experience and does push it down into the subconscious. Or maybe it wouldn’t be humiliation at all if it wasn’t pushed down. If the original offense was acknowledged as being an offense…there’s some vindication there.

But there’s a repulsion there from others. Elsa talks a lot in her blogs about people behaving as if tragedy is contagious. It’s like, if I don’t acknowledge that this violation happened to someone else, it can’t happen to me. Especially for a child, that sends the message that maybe there’s something wrong with them, to be so offended. I think we are born with a sense of right and wrong and when what we know to be wrong is accepted…..that creates a crack in our psyche, a deep disconnection from self. It tells us that our perception is wrong, which causes all kinds of problems later on in regards to confidence.

Im thinking of those “am I the asshole?” questions that some podcasts focus on. Almost all are about some offense occurring and then the person trying to recover their dignity, but wondering if THEY are the asshole. 

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@libra-noir that’s the most infuriating thing to me about some aita stories, that so many are so obviously not the asshole, yet they wonder if they are. It makes my blood absolutely fucking boil. I can have that self doubt, too, which I think is something you’ve mentioned before, gaslighting the self.

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I deleted my stuff here because it interrupted the thread. Sorry for that. 

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@elsa I thought your posts added a lot of context to what I was talking about. I was struggling to find a specific example that I felt comfortable sharing.

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@libra-noir oh. Oops.. that's what I was shooting for but I thought I went too far. I can't recover it so I apologize for that as well.

I really just wanted to say, your humiliation tie is real.

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@elsa Thank you so much.

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huh, thanks what an interesting thought! I never made the connection but when pluto transited my IC+moon, the defining experience of that period was humiliation, & then gradually resolving that for over a decade.

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