This is for psych people. This gal wrote on twitter, a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists were narcissists, etc. She was destroyed. In her own words, gutted.
No one read her actual work, but if you'd like to:
Notes in her own words:
The research indicates:
1. Higher functioning people of dark personality are just as committed to destruction of their targets as those jailed for murder. They just use less transparent forms of harm.
2.Narcissism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, are all just subsets of one high level dark personality type that had not yet been distinguished.
3. NPD as per the DSM is also just a subset of this higher level personality type.
4. Bob Hare’s PCL-R, intended to assess for psychopathy, does not include the attribute of control which was the highest ranked attribute in this data.
5. Sadism is an attribute common to all those of dark personality, including the enjoyment of demeaning, humiliating, disadvantaging and harming others. It is also not contained in the PCL-R.
5. Much more which I do not intend to include here.
OMGosh, I’m impressed with the points you have shared. I’m on my mobile atm. I will need to get on my iPad to read her paper properly. Thanks for sharing this !
I see her table of common professions held by the dark personalities studied. I'm not on the Xitter, are people seriously having a cow because she noted that five shrinks met her criteria? Or am I missing something?
@rusalka I can't find her account right now; I'm not a follower. But she something along the lines of a significant percentage of the psych field were of this time and got off on power and control. In a way, she should have seen this coming.
If you feel you have power and control, then you may feel you're immune to this kind of response. But no.
@elsa Of course they're screeching then. They think they're immune and entitled to being revealed or dethroned. They're going to seize their power and secrecy back even if it takes destroying her. They're proving her right with the backlash.
Also,
"Wraps undermining of the victim in a pretence of caring about the victim."
Holy shit. A page torn straight from the book of my life. It's good to know I was right and that was done intentionally.
@elsa I guess this is a piece of Munchausen isn't it? Everything these people do is a game. Imagine a kid on a sports team who plays too hard and kicks the shit out of all the other kids and screams when they don't win or an umpire judges against them. That's how I think of psychopaths and narcissists because that's mostly who I've had to deal with. This is all a game to them, they're playing as hard as they can, and they're fine with it if you get hurt.
The end to the "game's" means for the Munchausen type is getting as much sympathy as possible for some reason? The end for my psychopaths' was making me die and protecting their fame.
I guess this is a piece of Munchausen isn't it?
As you describe - yes. I tried to discuss this topic a few times here, but no bites.
Munchausen's and Munchausen's by proxy as well.
@rusalka It describes the religious household I grew up in to the tee. And that was mild in comparison to what I witnessed in the church. Some of the most spiritually bankrupt con men I ever met were priests. Wolfs in sheep's clothing.
Psychologists, clinical psychologists and psychiatrists do not need to have a personal therapy as part of their training (in the UK anyway), so that's an easy route in. Even with the fields where there is personal therapy involved in the training, it depends on the individual because I have seen countless people go through the process of even x5 times a week on the couch analysis for 5-10 years plus and not reach that core narcissistic wound. I would say, if a person wasn't considering training and just wanted to heal a deep psychopathology of that type, it would take 10 years minimum in an analysis, 4-5 times a week, and it needs 100% commitment to the process, plus an analyst who has also dug deep with their own personal analysis, training analysis and through their subsequent work. The defenses that exist with a narcissistic personality disorder are not going to encourage a person to try to unwind them vulnerably in therapy, quite the opposite, they act destructively against the person to keep them 'safe', and unfortunately much of the external world is built around this type of destructive but 'shiny' system, so its easier and encouraged to be avoidant. You can be avoidant and still train, and be awarded for it, if the system is built that way.
The main thing that's needed for healing this type of issue is a deep regression in the therapy. You need to have a therapist that can handle a regressed patient (the patient is critically vulnerable at that point and may or may not need hospitalisation at that stage - so it's very heavy, scary, and demanding work). To be able to regress that deeply in the unconscious, the patient needs to be lying on the couch, and they need to be going to sessions nearly everyday, and for a number of years as these conditions build the transference relationship and trust in the real world relationship to a point where a regression can occur. Once the regression occurs, the patient and analyst have to survive it, and then there is a lot of working through because its the tip of the iceberg of the grief thats stored in the body. The regression is a kind of explosion that opens the mine (ie, like dynamite). Obviously, its demanding and a lot of people can't let that happen to themselves because obviously its a mess for quite a while, and people have commitments that anchor them in the conscious realm, also see above about the 'shiny' destructive system which is getting 'shinier' by the day. So this is why many people go through analysis/therapy and don't fundamentally touch the area where the wound is rooted. But they can still improve enough to qualify. I think if the world changed and healing became a priority then conditions would be more favourable to enable the long and intense process of deep true healing to occur more frequently. It's also very expensive and time consuming to work this way. It's only one way, there are the spiritual dimensions too, but we were talking about psych profession.
Anecdotally, I'm now convinced I had a shrink who was a sociopath. She was charming and attractive but her affect was flat and nothing really moved her, nor did she make an effort to convey to me that it mattered. I would tell her about some of the worst SA and she'd sort of curl her lip and say "ew." I told her I was struggling to keep weight on because of guilt about eating and she just told me to eat the correct portion sizes. Like, ????????? You could kill someone with an ED with that advice!