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(@mariar)
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I think there is nothing to be gained by getting revenge.  It feels a lot better to forgive and let go. I don't always find this easy to do. But I know that holding on to anger and other negative feelings hurts myself.

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(@klara)
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With Scorpio rising and Pluto's strong influence in my chart, I've been a vengeful and vindictive person in both thought and dead in the past. I don't want anything to do with that faulty way of thinking anymore. It did not serve me then, and it certainly doesn't now. Do no harm. Do not wish I'll will on anyone, treat others as you would have them treat you.

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Nah, I want revenge. Here are all my ex boyfriends!

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(@julietsbrainlessboyfriend)
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So I thought I would wrap this post up because... Thankyou for the responses. I have been thinking about the subject, contemplating. Not really getting anywhere. This post is going to be long!

However, I just had a dream, and what the dream did was summarise a situation where someone who has caused me a lot of agony deliberately (whether really that person or a metaphor is not clear, it is hazy who the bad ones really are, although, astrology itself each person seems to manifest through a specific planet transiting!) was being disciplined but... It was nothing to do with me. I had to be off and I can't get to them anyway. They have followed all the rules, at least in relation to me (not necessarily others because they were still there!), not just in relation to workplace policies but in relation to metaphysics as well. In real life there are similar nudges... I.e. situations of spontaneous socialising and such that it seems to have no real benefit to focus on previous problems.

I took it as a nudge to leave these thoughts behind which is what I am doing here.

My original point to Wuthering Heights was a nudge because... It seems to me that the safest view to take on this subject, the one that does not attract any additional emnity, or scrutiny, and the one that looks good on the surface, is to go with what is thought to be the mainstream Christian/ Buddhist view and never take revenge on anything. However, how many of us really do that in our personal lives? Very few I would wager.

But this is more of a complex subject in my belief than that black and white pre Saturn view gives it credit for. For instance, if we take the concept back a bit... what about 'retaliation'? There are times when we have to retaliate because we are not able to be nice to those that have wronged us.

I have had this, I was working in a place recently that conducted a campaign of social ostracism and took particular sadistic pleasure in turning people against me if I was to have one or two people I connected with just a little, so I would have one friend in a group and that person would stop talking to me (not even hello) or attempt to leave the place without saying goodbye or even informing me or other similar cruelties. Under these circumstances when willful cruelty is happening you don't go round being nice to people, because you are not able to. You don't have any love to give them because you are only receiving from them hatred, and when the social ostracism began (the day I started working there) it was utterly unprovoked by me. This place had words like 'disgustingly cruel gossip' in the reviews of the place but I didn't trust it because the girl sounded like a feminist! Ouch. Perhaps there is some karma right there.

Partly my own fault though and I am 'deeply' ashamed I did not put more effort into fighting these people, any therapy I were to go to as I result of this I would explore that concept primarly; but, withdrawal was also effective and I should have obviously left earlier. I feel that relatives that have passed are less specific about karma than positive spirits and seem to not mind so much the idea of getting your hands dirty. I did meet one of the people from this workplace in a supermarket recently (no hellos or anything obviously although we saw each other) and it would have been nice to punch that person in the face but... as I have said... Police state. A guy a few miles away from me got arrested for 3 years for 8 anti Muslim posts on his facebook that were also several years ago! You get arrested for breathing in England.

Another element of discussion when the very inefficient law process gets in the way of legitimate retaliation.

One interesting point though. At a time when one of these earlier situations I had a dream where it summarised that my revenge (the dreams word/ feel, and this was a positive dream!) would come through an activity I was doing personally and that activity did cause later problems at key moments, but also if done properly might have been able to solve them as well.

Karma as a thing though is interesting and the repeating patterns of life that are karmically linked have strong astrological components. When something traumatic happens you tend to visit each little part of the subject when a planet transits where they were at the time I have noticed, and where these are at Solar return is very, very meaningful. This whole thing makes you feel that it is all in fact, quite well planned.

The responses here have been interesting, La Sirena before she deleted it and Libra Noir get to the nub of it a bit. One of the secondary subjects to this is if you are going to take revenge, can it be done in a way that does not then let them get you back? Because a lot of people cheat as revenge but it inevitably gets them back many fold but there are other revenges where people don't seem to get any pushback, emphasis though on 'seem'. Karma is interesting like I have already discussed but can't be the whole of the conversation when it comes to this sort of subject.

I did look up the Kesha video and it reminds me of Joseph Arthur... In the Sun. 'May Gods love be with you'. Another good one is Johnny Cash 'When the man comes around' and others he did on the area. Another interesting one are lyrics in a song, a simple song with a lot of repeating lyrics by a band called Feist saying 'If it rips you all apart, the grudge has still got your heart'. I have written my own songs which are often multi layered with metaphor and explaining the truths in a situation and this kind of thing is a metaphorical acid to nasty people and does get a strong 'upset' reaction. Which is why you lay your foundation before doing something like this. I have learnt with these sorts of personalities to prepare for the sneak attack before doing anything that might even be interpreted to be against them. Any mutual friends you might have should be considered suspect beforehand.

Yet another point in this conversation is that if you are in a quarrel with someone if they are nasty enough there are other people that are on your side anyway. Often that have been damaged as much or more than you by them and might have more insight into how to influence the situation, and helping, i.e. just being nice to, a person you already like who is also against them I am sure has no karmic penalty, it's something you would do anyway.

And another point is, it will take an extreme amount of energy and focus for me to move ahead in my life positively, and is it worth the energy focus on 'revenge'?

And yet another point for potential discussion is will the future possibly bring more karma to a lot of people? A thing I have talked about and written about frequently. For instance, in the drawing back of the police state and in police actually going for real criminals? This is another point in favour of the whole 'gods plan' argument and divine vengeance.

I'll just end this though by saying, although I do not believe in a passive and limp 'no retaliation ever' philosophy and one of my terms for bullies is "those who are obsessed with turn the other cheek" (see this on Christianity turn the other cheek, although I'm not sure I believe it, food for thought)... Because they ALWAYS want you to forget how they have behaved to you and to be nice to them as though nothing ever happened.

I do think that the Lords Prayer, which is not given a low significance in the bible, basically, explicitly, disavows any link to revenge, and Buddhist DEFINITELY does so. So it is something to consider with some of the main faiths.

Good luck people.

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