Hi Elsa,
My question is, are some charts more karmic or fated than others?
In my case:
When Pluto hit my natal Jupiter in the 3rd house, my beloved grandfather died, and I also lost my very best friend, both within arcminutes of the conjunction.
My father died on the one and only day that Pluto hit the exact degree of my north node in 4th house Capricorn. Pretty literal.
And my mother got into a horrific car accident that put her in a coma for a month and gave her a brain injury that completely changed her personality (and eventually took her life), when I had my first Pluto square, again to the arcminute. She also died the morning of my 39th birthday.
This is uncanny, my experiences with Pluto. And all pretty devastating losses. I’m prepared to be on the lookout now, but wanted your perspective on things like this, if it’s common, etc.
I’ve brought it up with other astrologers before and they have all gone silent or dodged the question.
Curious Virgo
United States
Hi, Curious.
I’m sorry you’ve suffered these injuries! Your question is confusing, because “fate” or “karma” can be good or bad. You’re talking about traumatic loss here.
There is no doubt some suffer far more than others. It’s built right into their chart. I have talked to numerous people with lives like this. I have talked to just as many people whose lives have pretty much sail along.
When someone asks me about this, I always think of an old friend, who was riding home on a bus with her friends, after a volleyball competition. The bus passed a car accident; the girl looked out the window, and knew it was her parents – both killed. So you’re ten years old and this is your life. That’s some bad cards, in my opinion!
You’ve got the natal chart situation, but a person with a so-called easy chart is not “safe” from trauma. They won’t be suffering regular beatings from life, but invariably transits set up that turn a person’s life upside down. We all seem to have our “dark night of the soul”!
Some feel it’s better to deal with hardship, day to day as a matter of course, than to be hit all at once. I don’t know about that. Libra can’t decide.
What’s interesting and unusual about your experience, is the tight timing, especially because we’re talking about Pluto; a planet that moves very slowly. I have no explanation for it. It seems very personal to you, like a “family stamp” type thing. You’re probably in the best position to understand it.
I hope this is what you were looking for. Hopefully others will weigh in. There’s also more on this topic here: Fate.
Since Pluto moves slowly and it’s very thorough, we usually get hints long before the actual event hits. For instance, the exact day Pluto crossed my 7th house by degree, my divorce was final. Even though it took 2 prior years of warnings (and arguments/fighting) with my husband that if he didn’t straighten up I would divorce him, the filing process of divorce and the negotiations were all precursors to the finality, as Pluto made its way over the hump and into the 7th house. Interestingly, my current hubby has Pluto getting close to his 7th house. There has been more arguing, but nothing like before and no major addiction like hubby #1.
I experienced an event that changed my entire life and attitudes toward life and the people in it on a dark, snowy winter day…When I looked it up on my progressed chart, my progressed Ascendant was within less than an arc-minute of my natal Pluto…Years later, I had a Saturn transit on my progressed chart by the Moon, very exact, when my life or death surgery occurred…I saw that coming, and was reassured, because Saturn transits for me are difficult, but I always survive them….
Imo, exacting dates like that are when the spirits are trying to get your attention. In 2017, when I didn’t use astrology that seriously, on exacting dates such as eclipses things happened, to the day. Now though, that I am secure in the utility of astrology, things can happen a few days apart and furthermore those things indicate other things. So when I sent an email it was a couple of days out the relevant transit because I had been dragging my feet, not wanting to do it – and that shows me how I don’t want to do the thing. Important things though the spirits want to highlight, that add to a growing theory, are just as exacting.
So for someone that doesn’t care about astrology, and will never care about astrology, the dates are less exacting.
It’s never happened to me.. in my entire life, but there’s got to be some meaning to it, so thanks for sharing your theory.
Didn’t you say you got into astrology at a very young age?
Perhaps you never needed to be “convinced”… ?
Yes, and this also makes sense.
Interesting theory. Most of these events (aside from my father’s death) happened before I knew the depth of astrology or was studying it, although I followed lunations and read my horoscope from the time I was young. It was only in looking back at these time periods that I noticed the exact timing with Pluto. Elsa’s comment about a “family stamp” has some resonance. There was/is an incredible history of power and control issues, abuse and addiction in my family – dark family secrets etc were dug up to the light while Pluto was in Capricorn. My role as family scapegoat also finally became clear to me. I was so blind to it all.
I grew up being taught that men were kings and could do no wrong, and women were always the problem. All covert, subtle bullshit. With my father’s death and going mostly no contact with my family since then, I’ve been liberated. Perhaps this is where Pluto’s grip changes in my life.
Do you happen to be a scorpio Asc, or scorpio intercepted in the 1H? If that were the case, it’d make a lot of sense. If neither the case, what planets do you have in sco and if they make oppositions/squares or even significant quincunxes.
Sorry about your losses. Pluto rules my 7th so i feel you.
Ps. As per your mothers passing, pluto’s orbit is eccentric so the pluto square pluto transit can occur at different ages for different people. In the case of those born early 1980s it could indeed occur around 39yrs old, could it be the case?
I’m a Libra rising, but have Pluto at 0 Libra. Nothing in Scorpio. The Pluto square happened for me at 36, when my mother had her accident.
I would be interested in learning how this person’s natal Pluto is aspected. Since all the devastating losses occurred with parental figures, perhaps Saturn in the natal chart is in aspect to Pluto.
I thought along similar lines… but can’t see it. Her Pluto trines her moon, sextiles Neptune and squares Jupiter in Sagittarius.
I also thought about Mercury (timing). Mars in Virgo conjunct sun… that’ll pinpoint, I suppose. Sun Mars square Neptune. This did not add up to “clarity” so I left it out.
Perhaps further insight might be ‘hidden’ in the anticial sign/degree and its aspects… e. g. Pluto’s would be 29° Pisces (adjust for the minutes) when Pluto is at 0° Libra.
My Father died at a very young age as soon as Pluto hit my Jupiter on the first pass. Unfortunately, my luck as a child died with him.
Heartbreaking. I’m so sorry.
I think that when you have a Pluto Saturn aspect in your chart you lead a difficult life. It can be fated, Pluto carries a lot of abuse in its energy. one needs to put a lot of effort to overcome it.
It’s because of transits like this that I believe so strongly in astrology. When I was born, Saturn and Pluto were within 3 degrees of each other in Leo. I didn’t realize all of this until 1978 when I learned astrology. For me, major transformations have been a non-stop, ongoing situation. In my chart Pluto is at 12 Leo, and Saturn at 15 Leo. As a kid I had this desire to be 27. That was I always dreamed of being. Little did I know until later, that was also when my first Saturn Return was conjunct natal Pluto at 12 Leo. The experiences I went through at that time in life have shaped me into the person that I still am today.
@curious virgo I really hope so … re ‘family stamp’ I’ve heard somewhere that ‘family karma ending’ being a current thing … / bring linked to pluto in cappy too … really hope Pluto’s grip is well and truly loosened, thank you for sharing your story and sorry that it has been such a rough ride.