There are a certain number of women…say, twenty percent, who hate other women. They just hate you. There’s nothing you can possibly do to have them like you because they hate you and it’s not because of you, it’s because of them – they hate all women.
I know this isn’t new. Many women have come on here and said this – they don’t trust women or women bore them or whatever their reason is. I love women. I can’t imagine life without women friends.
What is the real reason for hating your own sex? For hating half the people in the world? It’s got to be some kind of self-hate, don’t you think? If you were comfortable with your femaleness, wouldn’t you be okay with mine?
What does the chart of a woman-hating woman look like? More importantly, have you ever seen a woman-hating woman change her mind?
It seems like self-loathing to me, but I really don’t know that much about it so please…
Tell me what you know about women who hate women.
Maybe an afflicted Moon with Saturn, or problems with Saturn in general maybe even problems with Neptune.
I knew one, she was a super plutonic Libra. She projected off of every woman and was terribly jealous. She mirrored what others had, and if she didn’t have it, she hated them for it. She would plot and strive to take every woman down. Alwaaaays talking smack about every woman, simmering in jealousy. She was a Capricorn Rising/Taurus Moon. But the rest of her chart was Libra, including Venus Pluto conjunct in the sign. Ugh, she was the worst… I tried so hard to have compassion for her, because she was so so insecure, it was too exhausting working for a woman that hated and talked shit about every woman she encountered. She talked shit about men too, everyone, but she envied other women like I’ve never seen before.
I am a Taurus, so I don’t know … I guess I’ve just always liked myself just fine enough to appreciate others. I love when other people are great. & especially women… I love great women.
I have sun pluto conjunct in Libra, venus in the 8th house, and saturn in the 7th house and I am nothing like what you describe here. HOWEVER, I do seem to attract women who ARE like this. I have always ended up being their mirror for some reason….they either love me or hate me. It seems like I am forever either avoiding becoming friends with them, because of the drama baggage they bring, or I am forcing them out of my life because I have become a target for their self-hate.
I actually love women – fun, intelligent, social, fabulous women with strong personalities, drive, and ambition. Most of my closest friends are either Cardinal signs or Fixed signs – lots of Cancers (a set of Cancer female twins happen to be two of my closest friends) and Scorpios in my female social circles. These women all have a healthy mental and emotional outlook on life. They are not what I would refer to as weak, which means that I respect them. We make each other strong in many ways.
Now, to be fair (says the Libra), I do not particularly like working with women. I work in a male dominiated industry and I like that just fine. I can’t abide by dumb, drama queen women in my workplace. I just can’t.
@pearl, that sounds terrible and exhausting lol I would just stay away from those types. I think personally she was hating herself and wished to be loved but she expressed the shadow side. taking down everyone.
She had some beat up Saturn aspects too, and I believe she had Saturn in the 7th.
*Sun Venus Pluto conjunct
My middle sister is one of those people. She says she hates women for being so competitive and catty women. She is married, but most of her friends are male (let it be said that she’s definitely not the cheating kind). I see her as a very insecure person, even though she’s physically very beautiful. Her looks belie her *very* Saturnian personality. I only have an 8am birth time for her, but here you go: Sun/Uranus/Venus conjunction in Virgo 12th house. Pluto and AC also in 12th house. Merc in Libra/1st, Mars in Libra/2nd. Neptune in Scorpio/2nd. Moon and South Node in Capricorn/4th. Saturn in Aquarius/5th. Chiron in Pisces/6th. Jupiter in Aries/8th. North Node in Cancer/10th.
*Her 12th house Pluto and AC are also in Virgo.
12H is the “House of Secrets” and, in my experience, Mercury-ruled Virgos tend to be gossipy.
My husband talks about this subject, too. Generally speaking, we discuss it and it is our belief that many women see other women as rivals.
Try it as this, a male looks at a lot of different females as potential mates. Well, on that flip side, the female looks at other females as rivals for the attention of said male. It seems to be ingrained in many women to be like this.
And even when they are older, this ingrained trait becomes a habit and they just can’t help themselves but see other women, especially younger ones as rivals.
I kind of agree with what you said…
I am one of those women who can feel so-so about other women. I do believe Elsa is correct in that there is a certain amount of self hate because I am myself a woman, and I don’t particularly like it all that much.
But I think I also see other women as rivals, and I can be a very closeted competitive person.
My Moon is okay I think…I mean, it opposes my Sun and Mercury, but trines Saturn and Mars.
I know nothing about Vedic astrology, but my Ketu is in Leo conjunct my MC loosely.
And I have to say my sister in law is this way. She practically growls when any other woman is around her boyfriend and she just bristles around women.
Like hating-hating? I think deep insecurity might be a reason, feeling threatened by women because the person compares herself to them and their level of self-actualization and embodiment of womanhood.
“Try it as this, a male looks at a lot of different females as potential mates. Well, on that flip side, the female looks at other females as rivals for the attention of said male. It seems to be ingrained in many women to be like this.” <— I agree. Jealousy, competing spirit, projection etc.
Raised by men, have 3 brothers, been in a gym surrounded by men since I was 18, I’m 55 on 9/25. 95% of the knives in my back are from women. I have learned to spot petty crazed women in a heartbeat and only surround myself with strong women like myself because we don’t have the time for such drama and nonsense. I don’t hate myself. I’m not insecure and I give every woman a chance to prove herself, sometimes a few more than they deserve, hence the knives in my back. My sun, ascendant, Venus, and Mercury planets are in Libra. But then again environment shaped me more. My moon is in Scorpio so mess with me and I will totally rip you to shreds. And yes I’m highly emotional. I don’t hate women. I just avoid the ones that bring drama and chaos to my life.
I have witnessed this many times and l can’t say that l like it one bit. I have never liked being seen as the enemy or competition. A woman at work was this way and she had Pluto conjunct Jupiter on the last degree of Leo. She also had Saturn conjunct her sun 7n the last degree of Scorpio. She was absolutely mean and hateful.
Corinne, same here…raised by men. Feel you, girl. Kindred spirit here.
I have a Mars in 7th Taurus and a very exact Air/Fire trine of Moon, Saturn, Pluto (kite’d out by a N.Node in Aquarius to the Leo Moon).
Have either had the rare die-hard, singular female kindred spirit/close friend, or a boat-load of hateful females looking at me like I am the utmost threat or un-friendable person for some odd reason (they do not even know me). I attribute this to my strong planetary placements, my strong comfort-ability with men and my Lilith 0deg in Scorpio 1st house). It has taken me 43 years to pattern-recognize this shit.
I protect at-risk teens. I am a one-man woman. I focus on MY man. YET, the hate that comes my way sometimes is undeniable and un-explainable. People hate what they cannot understand or fear (i.e.: my confidence, intelligence, self-management, comfort level and self-love). 43 years to understand this.
Women are their OWN worst enemy. Enough already!
In my case, it’s more like I don’t trust them. I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with them. Backstabbing, gaslighting, knock down drag out fighting. I don’t like this stuff at all, and some sense that I like to fight, so they manipulate the situation to drag me into their mess.
I rarely experienced this with men or with women who had prominent Aquarius. They did their own thing and didn’t stir up s***.
The astrology? Venus/Uranus/Pluto conjunct.
LisLioness, agreed…a prominent Aquarius (so far as I’ve experienced personally and seen in others through life) helps to contribute to “let all of us be individual” and never stir.
My N.Node is in Aquarius, caught up in a grand trine, and let me say I have been fighting for all of us to express ourselves without personal attacks, since I was probably 7 years old (my parents say). So, agreed.
Seems like straight up narcissism to me..
Like, those women-hating women actually love themselves so much and think they are how women *should* be and they are quick to judge other women based on shallow characteristics. I mean, how could a woman like that even hate another woman if she doesn’t know her? Surely, someone narcissistic would probably want to get rid of distractions from what will praise her (ie- men) and so other women are just bodies in the way. Am I totally off base or am I onto something? It’s a touchy subject, of course.
I personally love women and they are SO important to my life. Men leave deeper scars which might be more “interesting” but you know what? It’s much less enduring! Women endure… they fill up the space in my heart and I love that.
The only women I suppose I don’t like are the one’s who hate other women and it’s not because I am judging their feelings so much as that I resent that they won’t get to know me first!!
Cheers!
It was a phase in my life, but I had a gang of girls that didn’t like girls. We thought we were guys-girls. As if we all had this affliction. Then as I got older I realized how much we made no sense. We just didn’t like the idea of being a stereotypical woman. The kind that hurt others for pleasure, stab you in the back and then laugh about it. The mean girl.
I think on occasion it can be like Stockholm syndrome from relating too much with a family or other cultural group that believes women are x y or z. Especially when they are being oppressed with violence at home it seems like some blame all other women for not putting up with what they go through.
I think this is me, and I have no problem with it, because I do have very close female friends. It’s just I can always see when a woman is playing a game, or trying to score points against me, or just plain showing off or being a hypocrite, and that’s a lot of ladies, I’m afraid. Astrologically, badly afflicted Moon, Capricorn, Taurus Moon profile, Venus in the House of its Joy, and Ketu right on the Ascendent, if u want the Vedic signature. Interestingly, Hillary Clinton has Ketu on the Ascendant, if the 8:00am birth time is accurate, and I suspect the same is true of her – a few very close female friends, including Huma Abendin, but otherwise she doesn’t like a lot of females, her efforts for developing world females notwithstanding.
I don’t hate other women at all. I think it must do with competition or something. Women do all these nurturing things, how can you hate that?? I want more of it, personally.
Plus there’s a lot of humor that only other women get, so cut that out and life is less fun.
I noticed that Yin energy women (Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, etc, etc), get along with women better than Yang energy women. Just an observation.
I get along well with most women, but I’ve run into a couple of women at work over the years that just didn’t like me. They saw me as a rival, a competitor and were just plain jealous of me. Sometimes it was because I had power over them (I was an IT manager) and other times it was because I was thin and could eat whatever I want while they were always on a diet.
Whatever they didn’t like about me, I didn’t care. I was always nice to them when I had to be or didn’t bother with them. That p*ssed them off even more. Women like that are insecure, they play games and I can’t be bothered.
I always thought this was more prevalent among younger women as a sort of primate/competition thing. In addition, there are what I call “alpha women” who are primarily focused on getting, keeping and protecting their relationship with a man and who see other women as a threat, period. I have not yet met a woman who hates women outside of this context.
I am one who has felt that men were easier to relate to when I was younger (maybe due to the above dynamic) but as I get older that is changing. I have several women friends now who I think are pretty awesome and easy to relate to and who see me as no threat to anything other than their ability to keep a straight face. Many grew up as tomboys like me and we have a lot in common. All are funny, warm, and kind and I’m glad they’re my friends.
My issue is that I had an abusive mother, and then was bullied by girls at school. I think this shows up as Saturn(aqu) opp moon(leo) in my chart, also have Neptune(Scorp) square Moon(leo). I don’t hate women so much as distrust them. Also have BIG problems with what constitutes ‘femininity’ in this society.
I have some extremely close female friends but have had this energy directed at me a lot, several have admitted they found me “intimidating” …years ago I would have dumbed down to placate the energy but these days I’m afraid that is their issue. If they get over their initial suspicion they find I’m a really likeable person but it’s very noticeable how many women first disliked me, I have loads of converts though 🙂
Most of the troubles I have experienced in my life have stemmed from conflicts with other women. Family, friends, on the job… Can’t go without a lady getting fatty with me for no reason.
I don’t hate women, I just avoid them because I feel more comfortable with men.
*catty
I’ve found that the women who hate women are actually exactly what they say other women are, catty and competitive. There’s projection there.
I love women. Moon in eleventh house. I haven’t always had all women love me. Just the cool ones:) I’m a woman’s woman. I love being a woman. And i love the support i get from other women.
think you nailed it right there 🙂
Same! Moon in Pisces 11th house! I adore women honestly and always love seeing someone in my social circle succeed! Unfortunately it’s not always reciprocated towards me. I’m literally the nicest person. Like you literally have no reason not to like me…But God forbid if I’m seen as “more attractive” according to what society thinks is attractive…it can be quite lonely actually. I have Sun and Venus 1H trine MC. I’m Taurus rising and Mars so Venus rules my chart. Sun trine Jupiter and Saturn plus Sun and Mars conj Ascendant. Mercury/Venus trine Pluto and Venus trine Juno. Scorpio Lilith (which really isn’t me but yes I do have sexual magnetism (Ive been told) But I’m literally an open book. I’m a Gemini so I’m literally nice to everyone. But I just have women who I feel will literally create some reason not to like me because they feel threatened even though I’m so complementary of them. Genuinely. I’d love to know more about this topic and what aspects could be causing this.
Welcome, Mermaidmoon. 🙂
Its not hate, sometimes its fear. Not of women, but of their socialization.It is a fact that women will take out their aggression on the person closest to them, usually in secret, because they were taught to be nice, while men are encouraged to project their aggression onto another entity not in their immediate environment- that guy from that gang, that dude from the opposing team, etc.
Behavioral scientists and criminologist are just now uncovering how many women are predators in this society and get away with it because they are overlooked
I agree about the socialization, women have been subjugated beaten and raped etc. for a very very very long time which means they become very covert with their aggression. Also because they’re fighting for approval attention etc. of the ruling class i. e. males, they develop competition amongst each other.
I have heard so many women say they get along with men better than women. I was like that when I was younger; I couldn’t relate to the games women played, but as I’ve gotten older and been through a divorce etc. I’ve discovered the amazing gift of sisterhood. It just gets better and better. Women are awesome !
Perfectly articulated!
Most of my friendships are with other women. I don’t exactly know why, but I feel more comfortable and better understood around most women than most men.
With that said, I do catch myself hating other women at times. Not for competing-for-a-man reasons, but I’m very unforgiving of women who complain about their circumstances or criticize society for making life hard for them. They don’t seem self-motivated enough to me. And I do think that self-hate plays a part in this. I’m personally in a bit of a procrastinating, unmotivated funk and as an Aries (with Libra moon and rising), the procrastinating/inactive/over-thinking part of me is an aspect of my personality that I can’t stand. But it’s difficult for me to hate or be displeased with myself so I hate those traits when I see them in other women.
I think if someone (m or f) hates 50% of earth’s population they need a BIG HUG!!
Aw, this is so cute!
omg you are SO correct about this!! more hugs for everyone lol
I’ve met some of these types and it has never made much sense to me. Would it not be a much better world, if women would stand together? I always feel so happy and proud when I see a sister succeed. Every success lifts us all I think. jus sayin,
I’ve met some of these types and it has never made much sense to me. Would it not be a much better world, if women would stand together? I always feel so happy and proud when I see a sister succeed. Every success lifts us all I think. jus sayin…
Women are just more complicated than men and a common mistake is to expect women to act as men and judge them for being worse or better. Let’s not forget that women are more complicated than men not only in behavior, their bodies are more complex, their bodies’ functions, etc.
Women and men are just different.
If you grow up and live surrounded by men it’s only natural that you are not going to understand how to interact with women.
That being said, I am dealing right now professionally with a man that avoids me like the plague and I have no idea why. He was supposed to return a paper to me after he signed it.(a necessary formality) Is he rude? Does he not like me? (although professionally this is no reason to stop communication) Does he secretly like me and does not want to get near? (this is just plain dumb) Is he a cheap manipulator/ liar/ poor professional? Did he forget? (no, I once called him and he clearly said he did not forget)
And all this happened without me being in a relationship or having sex with him.
All the ladies that think men are easy to deal with, are welcome to deal with him.
I know a women who is like Machiavelli, pretending loving submissive female. Basically she’s a incredible manipulator who knows and gets advantage of the obsessions, cravings and needs of her surroundings.
Moon 1 Libra conjuct BlackMoon Lilith In 3rd house square Venus 2 degrees In Cancer at the angle of 12th house. Pluto in Libra In 4th House trines Mercury conjunction Vesta, Pluto also opposes to Pallas. Neptune conjunction Vertex opposition Vesta and Mercury in11thhouse
Nice 4 degrees Sun in in Gemini and Leo ascendent is only a surface. Mars 6Virgo in wide conjunction with Jupiter 1 degrees Virgo in 2nd house square Sun Conjuct Ceres in 11th. she seems to secretly feed on other people.
i am thinking it is competition. I haven’t met many women like this to be honest, so all i can figure is they are deeply competitive and don’t want any other women around.
This sounds simple and reasonable to me.
I have a friend like this but she isn’t against other women per se, but perpetually chides against the notion of daughters. Because her sons are “perfect” and girls are a plague or something. ?
I haven’t studied her chart at length but I do know she was born with Saturn in Cancer. However, for a woman hating women, I would suspect maybe Moon-Mars conjunct, Moon-Venus square, or possibly afflicted Moon-Pluto. And definitely Lilith.
I have Moon sandwiched between Mars and Venus so it goes either way for me. Lots of women have disappointed me. But so have lots of men… ???
Like time, being an a**hole is the great equalizer. It requires no special set of skills and knows nothing of economics, skin color, sexual orientation, disability, and certainly not gender. ?
For what’s it worth, I
I have to disagree with some here that mentioned prominent Lilith being a factor. Lilith is the ultimate woman. She has problems with men. I have sun conj Lilith by minutes. My issues are with men not women. Working on them btw:)
I only know one. It’s complex. I’ll let it go at self loathing. She associates with women as long as they know their place, beneath her. She needs to feel in control of all situations. Good luck trying to control the wild woman. But man does she cow tow to the men in her life, her father, her son, her grandson. I feel really sorry for her daughter. No relationship with her at all. Messed her up bad. She’s coming up on her chiron return, the daughter. Always liked her, but now she’s spooky. It’s something I’d like to see righted in my lifetime yet. Not with the mother necessarily. For the daughter. I have to cry now.
If not for the grandson comment, I would nearly swear we know the same woman. That is scary.
I have great female friends, and do a lot of ‘women’s work’, but I admit I have little patience for histrionic emotional drama that pretends to be ‘self expression’ but is actually manipulation. Hate.it. So yeah I generally try to avoid ‘girl drama’. My fourth house sadge moon trines Saturn. My nurturing side resents fakers who try to manipulate it. My easygoing sadge side can’t understand why not just get along and be happy. The Saturn influence is like, excuse me? Please cut the crap! What’s really going on under the bullshit, and can we please discuss it rationally…and if not I’ve got better things to do BY MYSELF, thank you very much.
I think I also feel the pain and vulnerability of being female quite a lot…the bone crushing history of oppression and abuse by men, the amount of hurt we just smile and take. So sometimes it feels overwhelming and I start rejecting the feminine, out of the pain of my own vulnerability. Like when I hear a horrific rape story where the perps are bragging about it out of entitled douchebaggery. It’s just too much to bear sometimes.
Other times, I just feel like hanging out with guys because they are less complicated and it’s easier. I’m generally anxious so I appreciate their lackadaisical, no worries attitude. And I think more like a guy sometimes, so when I’m around women I have to make an effort to be more cloying and attentive and sweet, otherwise I get blasted for being bitchy…when in fact I’m not, I’m just acting like one of the guys (who doesn’t pander to every fleeting emotion!) Aries sun, Mars ruled chart.
When communities of women are grounded and solid though, nothing beats it. Nothing more nourishing.
Heather, I agree with so much of what you said. I’m an Aries Sun, too.
Little patience for histrionic drama= manipulation, yes!
Hanging out with guys because less complicated and easier, yes!
I don’t think I hate women as a whole or am self-loathing. I am not a girly-girl but I’m not not-feminine, either. I do have Saturn in Cancer opposite Moon in Capricorn, so that could have something to do with it.
My best girlfriends in high school, still friends with them, one of their boyfriends used to tell me that we were more like guys and the guys we dated were more like the emotional girls in the relationship. One friend was a fellow Aries, one was a Cancer- cardinal signs…
I find large groups of women draining. I find at parties, especially if I’m not super tight with the women there, I end up talking to the men. Not flirting with them, just having conversation. Then inevitably wife or girlfriend will come over and sit on his lap or put her arm tightly around him as if to say “he’s mine, back off” and I’m like “I wasn’t trying to get your man, we were having a conversation.” To me, it’s THAT woman, the one that has the man, who is insecure, not I.
If I dislike a woman, it’s usually on an individual basis and for a good reason.
But yea, I used to hang out with my younger brother and his friends a lot. Even with my lesbian friends, I enjoy talking to the “male” in the relationship more, as the partner is too girly-girl, doesn’t work, talks about clothes and decorating the house. zzzzzz
So yes, with intelligent self-assured women who aren’t trying to stab each other in the back, I love women and celebrate us as a sex and want us to succeed and be treated as well as men in the workplace. But with vapid, shallow, manipulative women, I just avoid them.
Of course it takes two… but if it weren’t for a woman none of us would be here!
I have met all kinds of women in my lifetime. Almost every kind. This conversation made me think way back to my days working in an all female health club.
I taught aerobics for about 15 years and I met a lot of women. I remember when they would come to me after just giving birth and say their husbands were horrified by what pregnancy did to their body. They were deeply hurt and very sensitive about body image. Wanting to be accepted after bringing life into this world. (I wanted to run over their husbands, they hurt them so) They cried as they tried so hard to put themselves back together. It all left a profound mark on my heart. They are hurt so severely but complain little and go on….. 🙁
It’s women who have saved me. It’s women who have loved me most. It’s women who have hugged me tightest. As I struggle right now with my health (the men don’t understand) its the woman that are holding me up as I worry and go in for one test after… the next needles in my arms… the women are beside me….
Women gave me the most affection. They are the ones who have praised me the most and been my biggest cheerleaders.
Right now, today, its women that keep me in business and have held my business up so I could make it through the first two years. 7 years later I am still working because women have trusted me to nurture as they would.
When a man hurt me, left me, put me in an emergency room or refused to help me feed his children, it was women that circled around me, filled my cupboards and held me close until I could gain the strength to get back in the ring for my children.
I lay down beside two women who watched me take my first breath…and I stayed with them until they took their last. It was the most precious thing.
My sisters will all fight and argue until someone does something to one ….then you’ll get them all. It’s a sight to behold.
I don’t know where I would be if not for women. I would rather be in the company of women.
The thing you have to understand is estrogen, hormones and the demands that women have to meet with PMS and Menopause and kids with fevers and every detail of keeping a home running while working 20-60 hours a week. And they do it.
Women have a higher pain threshold and more endurance. Women have a deeper more sensitive capacity to love. They/we are amazing creatures. Look at all we can do.
It has always been women who have given me courage.
I don’t hang around a large group of people. I am all about my family and work but when it hits the fan, I call on my women. We pick up where we left off and when I call they will come FIRST and they will hold me up as I will hold them up….because I love them, and they love me.
I owe everything I am or will ever hope to be to women. And, if we are to ever rise higher than we have, we have to stick together and support one another. Not only do we have more complicated bodies and body functions to deal with we have more of EVERYTHING to deal with.
Women have to go out into the world and try to compete with the opposite gender who have wives at home caring for their children and homes. When women go home their REAL jobs begin.
We have to figure out how to make tough decisions at work and be gentle and tender in the evening with our babies. Women are able to flip that switch and do it well.
My soul would have been crushed long ago if it weren’t for the women in my life. I love women.
This all reminds me of Kelly Corrigan (watch this video)
https://youtu.be/LoB-ta28UbY?list=PL847CBC9E5EC11CD0
My most precious gift to date is the gift of Granddaughters. I don’t know what I have done right in my life to deserve them, but here’s to the next generation of women. 🙂
Always remember, if it weren’t for a woman, you wouldn’t be here 🙂
Soup that was a wonderful post and cheers to women! 😀
I was male-identified when I was younger. I thought women were pretty boring. I found that even though I was a feminist in terms of women’s rights I was not connected to women in a deep way.
This changed when I discovered matrifocal ideas, literature, rituals, and the idea of celebrating the female body in all its shapes and ages.
I read everything I could about and by women, until I found myself finally thinking like a woman. Women speak through relationships and tell stories. For example, herstory is not a linear telling of conquest but an intimate revelation of family, community, tribe and the profound connection to the earth itself, as big mama.
I am profoundly grateful for finding self-love and sister love, and now look forward to women’s gatherings as a special place of safety that allows me to be more vulnerable, juicey, embodied and powerful.
Just wanted to share that this behavior is often linked to macho societies. I live in the Mediterranean area and women here are always trying to look sexy, and often turn out to look very vulgar even though they are often quite beautiful. They are in competition with one another and you seldom find female bonding.
I have a Mars-Uranus conjunction in Leo in the 7th house and I know that one of my defects is that I tend to generate competition with others. I don’t do it especially towards women. But I think competition is the sort of ingredient which connected to Venus could explain women hating women (I certainly don’t!) Not just the usual Pluto-Moon or Pluto-Venus culprits.
hm that also reminds me, if the economical state of affairs in the country/city you live in has few men that of /are eligible and there’s a ton of women who are clamouring for the same types of men (the ones that will take care of them, and give them hope for the future, they will have this inner competitive drive and dress for success — not for a job, but for a job to get that man)
I can only speculate on reasons why. For example my mother at one point mentioned her mother didnt like girls so she was always treated harshly, expected to cook, clean, whatever while all 5 of her brothers could go out, have a good time, drink, stay out late but never got in trouble for it. It could possibly be something that was ingrained in the family. Back in those days women were not looked upon favorably d/t needing sons to help work the land/business. My own mother always doted on my brother and acted like he could do no wrong. I used to “joke” that he was her favorite. That always got her really defensive. It was so obvious to everyone. She honestly didn’t see it. I myself did not want to have boys.not really sure why, maybe because I didnt want to be like my mother..maybe I was trying to break the cycle. I did have 2 girls. I have Taurus sun/sat/merc in 6th square Leo moon/bml/vesta in 9th. I believe my mom was a Leo asc, sun in Pisces, moon in taurus. I do find men less dramatic and any problems I had were usually with women.
What a lovely and lively discussion…
As a women … I adore the close bonds that grow with a bff…only to be dumped in favour of some boring man…
I have Venus in Scorpio and moon in libra I love women intensely but I do attract a fair amount of women who hate women into my life. Here’s what I have noted. I’m generalizing here so bare with me. 1. They don’t hate all women just sexy or very stereotypically feminine women (I’m not one of those but I appear to be / Venus /ascendant) 2. They have been deeply wounded by sexy women in the past or their mothers hate sexy women 3. been told that they are not “woman enough.” / bullied
I’ve experienced woman-hate towards me (as we all have) to the point where now I sometimes find it hard to trust other women. I’ve had one Scorpio female (which Scorpios usually like me but then again I’m just speaking generally) verbally attack me through emails. She was always cordial to my face but I’m talking downright mean to me in emails and I barely knew the woman. Another woman put something in my drink at work (still don’t know what it was exactly.) My own mom and sister has treated me abusively too. Doesn’t help that I have Moon in 11th and 12th. ( I have Moon 7° Cancer in 11th and it’s the ruler of my cancer 12th.) I’ve always grown up with close female friends so it’s important for me to be accepted by other women on some levels, but I must admit, I’ve had my fair share of hostility and that does keep me skeptical of other women until I know I can trust them.
Hey Addyb. I wasn’t going to get into but yes rejection of one’s own sexuality. And then chastising other women. Big big factor. That filthy filthy Eve. How dare she have filthy breasts and lordy lordy a bugina to boot. Stay cool! Somebody had to say it.
LOL! Yes precisely. This kind of thing dumbfounds me. How could you not like a beautiful female body?! What is there not to like smh lol
As a pick-me-up, I’d like to share the following song by Dar Williams, called “As Cool as I Am” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=libGh-j3hBQ
There is no birth time on her wikipedia page, so I don’t know if it’d be useful to compare and contrast her birth details, a woman who wrote the line “I will not be afraid of women,” with the birth details of the women who do hate other women.
i used to hate what our culture told me women were like. but it was lying.
I’ve often thought it was because they view women as the lesser sex. Feminine things and pursuits are silly, not as noble as men’s. Men are in charge, so those women flock to men hoping to be “one of the guys.” Put other women down to boost themselves up, but only to themselves because guess what! You’re still a woman!
Glad to see this post come back up. I still think it’s self-loathing. And tragic!
I think it’s mostly competition for limited resources. I’m a woman and think it’s perfectly okay to hate individual women if they’ve wronged you as long as it doesn’t close your heart to those who’ve loved and been good to you.
this is a good subject to always come back to. lol
I see a lot of competition with men, it’s usually in sports, or the business world, and I’ve recently watched the OJ simpson vs. the people on Netflix, 2016 version, with Cuba Gooding Jr. as OJ simpson. And I saw how competitive the lawyers/attorneys were. Just crazy!! the whole point was to win. so maybe with women, it’s more competition for men! To lure them in, that you’re the best candidate for marriage while tearing down the other women. But who wants a man like that who gives in easily to what other people say? yuck.
Case by case basis.