mudlikesubstance wrote this on, Where Is The Metaverse Line?
"I feel like the saturn pisces will dissolve foundations. Wash them away. Literally. Look at the floods in austrailia, new zealand, germany, california, etc. Etc. That was just theblast couple of years. If there is another round of flooding like that everything that barely held on, well, the foundations were weakened, they are just going to go. Bye bye under the flood waters."
I realized we don't have a thread asking about this. What do you expect to see with Saturn transiting Pisces.
This woman seems a quintessential representation of Saturn in Pisces. Her defenses fell.
https://elsaelsa.com/forum/astrology/this-looks-like-saturn-in-pisces-to-me/
What do you think?
My husband thinks the country is gone and will disintegrate, shortly. He said some other things, shocking, coming from him. I'm still taken aback.
He's often right about things. Could be a giant rug pull.
I really can't argue anything he said. No ammo!
He's purely talking about the united states. For example, he said he would advise an 18 year old boy to get the hell out of here.
I wonder if he is seeing clearly. I can't think of how he is confused.
@warped Nowhere in the western world I suppose. The tentacles are everywhere. I think about this for my kids because I'm trying to set them up for a future, although it looks bleak. What kind of future is it where you're the outcast? But I also admit I don't understand any of this, spiritually speaking. How much can I truly control, even if I did understand it?
@elsa lt is my opinion that your husband is seeing clearly and that there is a very high probability that it really is gone and will disintegrate. You just don't breathe new life into where we are at this point.
Honestly l am already grieving and have been for a long time.
@ln right. I agree. I cannot think of a cogent argument against this thinking about this point... but there is a lot of pressure (Saturn) to deny (Neptune) reality. I also like to maintain hope!
I can see some things in the works that may be intended to thwart this, and have the capability to do so. I actually think we are going to see interesting happenings that will make some really happy, but at a cost.
My point here is I think they need consent. People adapt and adopt, consensually. I can't stress how important this concept is. YOU AGREE TO IT.
Compare this bringing people onto the interest where... well by now, people see. It started small but we're all here now. I think it is a similar thing underway; the next stage. I personally don't think this can be stopped and people will willingly submit.
I was made aware of this in my 20's when an old man I knew was organizing a grass roots protest against drunk driving checkpoints, aka illegal searches. Today, he'd fall over dead.
But we just post pics of axes being sharpened. Yeah. That'll do it, not.
Bottom line, I'm 80/20 on this right now.
@elsa I sensed the same thing! It's why I moved to Southeast Asia last year. I do not want to be here for whatever they have cooked up.
Its not about being drafted. 18 is the number I gave him, to indicate a young man. He's advised many of them over the years.
He does not say, go, because of war. The country is gone, in his opinion. That's way beyond war.
I think "this is how we've always done it" attitudes will go out of style throughout many institutions, it will become very difficult to make plans or keep operations going without a clear basis in service of a higher purpose (which I realize is subject to interpretation).
I agree with your husband in terms of things being gone and disintegrating. The next decade could be a reshaping and not so much overt war as choosing a path, and succeeding against all odds (while having children and building strong families and communities). But it feels dystopian. But where can you go to escape and not be in some remote foreign place?
@dolce I asked him about this. He would go to the remote, foreign place. He specifically said, "The jungle."
I told him, young men like women... no women in the jungle. He said, there are women in the jungle; there are communities / tribes in the jungle.
Now we're talking specifically about a young man wanting to make a life. He thinks this young man would be best off to get out here, land in the jungle, figure out the game in that location (how people trade, etc) and learn to play it.
It really no different than when I moved to the South. Where I'm from, people don't say, ma'am and sir. I felt awkward at first but I've adapted. It's survival of the fittest... and always has been on some level. And when in Rome, do as the Romans.
Keep in mind, he does not jibe with the current values. We have doctors who cut little girl's private parts out. I mean, do you want to have dinner with someone like that? Have them in your house. I don't!
My husband has lived with or near / amongst various tribes in his life. He's not had a problem. You get along wherever, but some people are easier to get along with.
I really think my husband would prefer a jungle girl, with her head on straight. You team up and make a life.
This is also the same thing I did, when I showed up in town, wearing rags, and figured it out. I didn't want to be where I was. It was against my sensibilities so I left.
Same thing. No difference.
@elsa That makes sense.
I have to admit I'm not into the jungle. And culture shock is hard for me, in spite of having lived abroad multiple times. It's a tough choice, but when you pit it against what American doctors are doing.... yeah, it's a stark contrast. (That said, I've also seen some really good progress against them that I hope continues.)
I can't say I'm ready to jump ship at this point, but I do take what you've said seriously. I'm looking at this point to set up my kids more than anything. They are still all under 11 so I will have to see how the next few years shake out with the things we've done so far.
@dolce well, we are too old so this was his answer, just for the specific case I gave him.
As for your kids, you probably already do this, but historically speaking, people who can see what is going on, find each other for support and they inform their kids it's crazy. If they have go along in public, to survive, they do so but they tell their kids what's up.
As for your fears, I understand! I think you know, we are good friends with a homeschooled family with no tv in the house. They know everything going on and they have known it for a long time. I was surprised at this - the kids know, even the most hidden elements.
Kids are about 9-24 and the girls are definitely finding boyfriends. Three girls in college. One is engaged, one has a serious boyfriend and other not yet.
The boys and one more girl are younger but the 4th girl is really outgoing. I don't see anyone of them having a problem. They're all well educated, polite, realistic, respectful. You just have to have faith.
I'll tell you the most shocking thing he said... my husband who has wanted a family since he was six years old. He said he would not have a family, right now, in this era. I mean, you're beyond that, but I'm sure you see what I mean.
I think the jungle came up because he knows he's destined to have children... he would have to leave to do it. This is his opinion, which I can understand.
As for your kids, you probably already do this, but historically speaking, people who can see what is going on, find each other for support and they inform their kids it's crazy. If they have go along in public, to survive, they do so but they tell their kids what's up.
Yeah, that's pretty much what we're doing at this point. It's strange though. Not something I'd ever have predicted and we don't have role models for this. We have to explain things in a way the kids understand. They each come at it from such a different perspectives based on their ages and on their personalities.
100% have to have faith. I'm glad to know about the homeschool family you know. I remember you mentioning them.
I can understand your husband's point about not having children for sure. A friend of mine advised her son not to have any children and told me about it when I was pregnant 2 years ago 😁 In my nervous moments I have to remind myself that people have had families in bad times, that many have made it through. But I get the reluctance, especially with the new, techy things that seem to be headed our way. At least before, things were still human.
If I were 18 I might run to the jungle myself, since like him I always wanted a family. I think I was meant to be a wife and mom. Since I'm older now, though, at this point I just say, whatever comes my way comes. Hopefully I will know how to deal with it.
@dolce well ultimately I think he still feels having a family is best...just not here. But I'll tell you, someone who loves being a mother and wanted a family for as long as she can remember, told me if she could go back in time, she would not have kids. Further, she said she routinely advises people not to have kids. I was stunned! But I could understand. It's just so painful. They've made it this way.
I can't count how many mothers I spoke to, agonizing about this shot. Maybe fighting with their husband about relocating. Scared it might sterilize their children?
And now... Now how do you think these mothers feel?
Also, there are legions of parents out there who did a good job with their kids. Loving and devoted but the system got 'em.
I still think it's worthwhile. The joy of holding your baby is unparalleled. So to hear my husband say this, shocked me. But as I explained, ultimately, he would just have to move. Because you aren't allowed to raise your kids here, and everything, everywhere is designed to destroy them.
My husband and I grew up listening to john prine. Spanish Pipedream. I'll find it... Blow up your TV...
@elsa I like this song! I used to listen to some John Prine a while back, I can't remember the songs anymore. Amazing how people have been saying the same thing for so long. I wasn't exposed to these ideas in my childhood. I was always drawn to them, but told I was idealistic or naive (I am) and figured I just needed to submit to the system, so I did. Not anymore though. Not entirely at least. It's an uphill battle.
@elsa Oh my gosh, that's so sad to me, that if she could do it again she wouldn't. I don't know what happened, but I know children can absolutely shatter you and break your heart, even without trying to, the effects of the world etc. The world got me for a long while, I'm just lucky it wasn't permanent. I'm praying it doesn't happen to my kids. I know it could, and the more kids you have the more opportunity for it, and I've got 4. I'm working so hard, but I know they're not immune...
That said I'm nowhere near the point of advising anyone to not have children. In fact, I want everyone to have as many as possible and raise them to overcome all of this. It's a long game imo and I can't just give up. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I could I would still have more. And consider, I could, but I'm the age my grandma was when I was born, so I'm just a tad old... but if I could I'd have 10 more in spite of what's going on around me. I'd build an army.
So I guess maybe that sounds crazy, but for the other perspective (thank you Libra 😉 ) we stood our ground hard core where we are and came up with a lot of wins. Seeing first hand how being in a severe minority didn't cause us to fail, and how much community we built, and how brave the most meek of us turned out to be, I just can't help but think all is not lost. And if we do think that, and people give up the most amazing gift in the world - children - we lose. It's a risk, I get it, but it's children, I just can't see giving them up or giving up on them, especially the ones here now. If that means moving, so be it, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. We've already talked about it tbh.
When I get down, and I've written about this here, it's when I think too hard about the kids who have been screwed over and either won't grow up or who will have major problems. Like what is going to happen to this generation? Who will my children's peers be? What if that thing did affect fertility and my kids want kids and love someone who can't have them now? What about the kids who had a doctor sterilize them before they were even 18? I'm already sad about it because there is no way it's going to be flowers and rainbows. And I can't predict what it's going to look like. And it gets me way down. But idk, I just can't stay there. I'm trying too hard, I have to.
The agonizing mothers.... so many just didn't know what to do or thought they were doing the right thing. I cannot imagine at all having that on my mind everyday Elsa. Cannot.
Sorry this is so long, it's just such a big topic. I appreciate this conversation.
@dolce I appreciate it too. I advise people whose charts scream, PARENT, that this is the case in their chart.
A good number of people are lost. Can't figure anything out until and unless you hand them their baby and then, wham!
But back to my husband's point, the way it is now, unless you do what you're doing, psychopaths are ruling your kids. And I know a lot more about that then you could ever learn in a book. You want to avoid this! So my husband, if he were a young man, would go somewhere where people can raise their kids in peace.
On the calls, it was gnarly. Families traumatized, by design. Kids want to go to school and see their friends. School says, not without a shot and guess who gets blamed? Mom is crazy. Kids don't think about fertility when they're six. Mom is ruining everyone's life... Gah.
I just want to note, I talk to people with great families all the time, as well. But this was definitely an issue and not an easy one to deal with.
We really need to get over this and pull together again. It's happening.
The key for me was realizing anyone trying to turn me on my neighbor, who could be anyone, was doing me a disservice. I limit all my interactions at this point. I'm a cooperative, reasonable, person. I am avoiding those who aren't, like the plague.
If enough of us do this, many will swing with us, because hey! It's sane.
@elsa I can only imagine the conversations you've had. It triggered a memory of a woman who wrote to me that she took her daughter to get the shot even though she didn't want to, and they both cried as she got it, but otherwise she couldn't go to her dream college. And my heart just about broke because from my perspective it wasn't worth the risk and that realization, if it hits, will be gut wrenching for that girl. Will she turn on her mom? Will the mom feel guilt? Who knows how it shakes out.
(My mom made a medical decision for me at a very young age that affects me to this day and I never held it against her in spite of the pain it's caused me. But it didn't affect my fertility.)
We really need to get over this and pull together again. It's happening.
The key for me was realizing anyone trying to turn me on my neighbor, who could be anyone, was doing me a disservice. I limit all my interactions at this point. I'm a cooperative, reasonable, person. I am avoiding those who aren't, like the plague.
If enough of us do this, many will swing with us, because hey! It's sane.
This, 100%. It doesn't take much to create a shift and once that momentum starts going...well, fingers crossed
@dolce On the flip, I worked with just as many people who got multiple shots. It's an individual decision, but both sides got screwed and the people who did this are common to us all.
The minute you see that, most want to be with the people, not the perpetrators.
I think we're going to be okay...but tears will spill.