I wrote the scary Mars post on the blog and thought of another person who unnerves me. This person is a psychopath, but I got to wondering where their Mars sign. That’s his chart and do you know, this person has no problems in life, whatsoever. He does not struggle at all.
He’s got no feelings, that’s why. And if you get in his way, he’ll take care of you, for sure, when and however he likes and feel absolutely, nothing, no matter what goes down.
Coming across this, I decided to post it, because it’s chilling. To understand, just think how much trouble your square or T-square causes in your life. This chart is very difficult, but this person has never experienced suffering. If there is any suffering going to be happening, it’s going to be on your end, you peasant, with feelings!
I wish people would develop their ability to spot people like this, because from my perspective, this ability does not exist, for 95% of people out there. Maybe higher.
It seems to me, we should have innate ability to sense danger, like any animal. Assuming that is correct, I wonder how and why this skill is so dulled.
Does anyone have any guess?
I can spot them only because I lived with one for 19 years.
Yep, that’ll do it. Train you right up.
It’s about karma. Maybe these kind of people coming into the world to be the karmic retribute so to speak. Souless. Since everyone has karma even from past lives, there are those who are on the receiving end of it in this life. Things are not as they seem on the surface usually so person who appears to be un or a victim is just having their own karma return to them and learning a lesson that needs to be learned in order to grow whatever way that would entail .
1- I can’t see which planets are involved in which configuration on that chart you share, so it’s hard to comment. I.e. You can have a liars signature but if checked by saturn in an interpersonal house… efficacy is compromised and perhaps you always get caught.
2- How to spot one using astrology, but what if you dont have the chart to begin with (and I assume this IS the norm) ?
I don’t think you can id a psychopath by a chart, at all. I know this is a psychopath. I know this person in real life, for many years.
My point with the chart is to say, a psychopath can have a chart like that and they will not suffer, the least little bit. I think this is something to feel and register… really, what I said in the post, is the post.
Almost seems you’re describing an AI… :/
Astute.
or an NPC
I would love to see what you are talking about, but the chart you are sharing is not visible
I mentioned up thread, I can’t show the chart because it’s a real person in my life and it would id them. I posted to illustrate the point I made in the post, rather aspects which mean you’re a psychopath, which I don’t think exist.
thanks Elsa, I read further down and got that, but couldn’t change the question after I posted.
I was curious because Ive been doing my own research project looking for patterns of this type, but these kinds of charts dont show a specific aspect or pattern easily. I use Tropical Vedic techniques so am looking way beyond just the basic aspects in that study of astrology. There are certain aspects that I do see repeat a lot though, which may or may not present as a serious pathology. I also look for what other things that show supportive energies or healing trends that could also influence how a person deals with it. If only it was that easy to look at a chart and see something like this. I would like to think those individuals could get some help early on with that kind of knowledge.
But, it might be that we are in a place in humanity where this information could be corrupted and used in a terrible way, so maybe it is not appropriate to gain access to this knowledge yet.
So if you’re a psycopath, it’s your number one skill to mislead others. You do that well and no sense of danger arises in a prey. So I would rather ask why do we want to be misled? Maybe because we’re programmed to be happy, to enjoy life and people (but not too happy! because then it’s bad for survival, so some level of cautiousness remains.) We want to see something good in people rather than think they’re dangerous and it’s normal – healthy. But how is that healthy if it leads to becoming a prey? It just means a person was too happy and not cautious enough. Why they wanted to see a psycopath as a better person than they actually are is another question. And if you’re in the 5% who can tell a psycopath then it’s because you’ve dealt with one before. You’ve seen one – you know the rest, they’re all the same. Your level of cautiousness is very high after that.
Wow, you seen very well, we were teens and vulnerable, but smart alert and quick.
My mars in pisces 1th house was my hiding while working. Seen a lot of unpure and unspiritual things ; it was not the elders, it was the team.
Is the entire chart visible? I don’t see it. Some people have been robbed of this ability as children – an example would be parents that overemphasize “being nice.” Some chart aspects indicate being gullible. And society has evolved now to believe “anything goes” which supports being too trusting.
It’s not visible. This is someone I know, well. The chart would identify them. I was trying to make a different point, but did not manage, it seems.
So the situation is that this individual doesn’t live their chart, doesn’t experience the hard aspects and suffering that we might expect those to bring in life, but someone else does. That’s the key element, that what is in the chart, thus in the chart owner, is projected. So the suffering exists “somewhere” in the individual, out of reach, and we can determine this by either experiencing the projection itself or observing the projection being experienced in someone else near to the original chart owner.
I’m not sure. Say there is a Saturn transit and this person gets dinged some way… they get some kind of comeuppance. This will register and it will become, eye for an eye, or more like eye and a half, for an eye. Or two eyes for an eye. Suffering is not part of the equation on their end. It’s more like the other person (or entity / organization, etc.) stepped on a land mine, in human form.
There is no humbling, like, oh! I shouldn’t have done that. ZERO humbling. Instead the person / entity trying do dock this person, will dock them and wind up docked themselves, in spades.
So if you’re going to hang around a person like this, and people clamor to do so, you should know you’re in a room with a landmine, but most don’t even consider such a thing… sometimes this is because they are being groomed, for fun for this person at a later time.
So how does a person/entity/company cope? I can’t imagine there’s no way out…
You learn. You become educated and go from there, depending on who/what you are and what the relationship is. You may be able to walk away, but in many cases, you can’t due to your job, family and such. But you can keep your own sanity. For me, that’s the goal.
Thinking of specific things I know occurred… the business or the gov’t can have the eye(s) extracted and have no idea where the attack came from. But the psychopath knows and is satisfied. Speaking of this person, in particular, if you mess with them, you will get your ass handed to you. Beyond that point, in this particular case, what you can and cannot figure out, is irrelevant to them.
They prefer to show their hand, at least a glimpse. But when they do that, you may not see it. For example…
You do X to this person…which is right and legal, but they don’t like it.
They do Y to this entity, to retaliate. The entity suffers.
Then at some other point, they could go right back to the source and say, “I did this to you.” The entity knows the injury is real, but can’t do anything about it, prove it, etc. Because the psychopath speaks the words, delivers the pay load, and they’re off!
Can’t say that type m.o. is a surprise. What if the entity has no clue who the psycho is because they (entity) usually operate in good terms with everyone, even to eventual complaints? It’s a hard one…
I don’t know. The situation I’m laying out… it would be like you step on the psychopath’s toe, somehow. Nothing happens,
Your daughter is harmed, a week later, by some means.
Psycho doesn’t care if you make the tie… but if they have the opportunity, let’s say they see you again, it will be, “By the way, how’s your daughter doing..?”
And if you have any cognition at all, you know what’s just been said.
I’m well aware Elsa. In some cases tho, the psycho is not doing it but ordering it done, and therefore also use proxies to show off their hand/rely their relationship to the occurrence ‘ex post facto’- and hence he may remain elusive as to who he is (the zodiac comes to mind).
With regards to your indagation –
“It seems to me, we should have innate ability to sense danger, like any animal. Assuming that is correct, I wonder how and why this skill is so dulled.”
– I’m not sure it’s dulled mainly because we live in a world where self defense has been given up to outside authorities/saturn (police, government, army) or simply due to the numbing of our senses and aspirations/neptune (substances, media, religion). Pluto then shows up and its like he has the road clearance to do whatever he pleases, because saturn has been rotting for a long time and neptune is too drunk to help out anyways… my 2cents…
I just got a chill down my spine! I can’t say I have knowingly ever come across some like this…you’d think I would have by now. But I feel very for have not!
I thought I was a good judge of character. This skill had worked for me my whole life. And he was vetted by someone that I trusted.
He rose to a position of power and then one day I became his target. I didn’t see it coming.
I don’t have his chart anymore. I don’t need it. I remember that he had a Pisces Sun, which I thought was odd and that he had a Mars Neptune square.
Major education for you, with the Pisces thing.
Invaluable
The person that vetted him was my boss, a very capable and astute woman who is several years older than me. She promoted Mr Slippery to a position of power and retired a year or so later. Then Mr Slippery was promoted to her position.
Our Company, a large Corporation changed CEO’s.
Mr Slippery used a few different techniques. The most shocking was sudden verbal abuse. Then the lies and the gaslighting became a constant. By now I was fully aware what I was dealing with.
Then I was at a meeting called by the new CEO where he was speaking to a large group of us. As soon as I heard him speak, I knew that he was a Sociopath too.
The sudden verbal abuse happened at a moment when there was no witnesses. In late years I found out that he had done this to two other people.
Another tactic he used, was to lie about me to other people, continously.
What’s really strange is a guy I have been dating has revealed some things to me I find possibly telling of him. I was thinking he had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Now, I think he suffers from Psychopathy. And like you said, he was “grooming me” for the future which I think I understand what that was for. We had parted ways in April then Gave it another shot since August. He finally let some cats out of the bag. I am still trying to recover from my shock and my brain doesn’t want to fully accept WHO this person really is. Not the iimage he projects.
Another very interesting thing is we broke up in April a few days before the major solar eclipse which is related to the full moon of this week, and we have parted ways again because I have figured out this guy is very possibly a “Psychopath”, not the nice man he projects. Actually, he is a pervert of sorts trying to enlist me.
Congrats on seeing the signs and heeding them. Also, welcome!
He is soooo smooooth, I almost fell into his trap. I sorta did in that I look back and should have NEVER stayed in the relationship as there were plenty of red flags. I am now struggling to totally stay away from him, not even texting him, as he said “he would be happy to talk to me in a calm way”. You see, because I have gone off on him before in text the last time we parted ways, and a few nights ago I kicked him out of my house and yelled at him as he exited the door “ I HATE LIARS”. Because of his secretive nature it led to me feeling very much like there were things I should know and he wasn’t telling me. One of those major things I just found out a few nights ago, that he isn’t divorced, and he had lied to me about that then further angered me by saying he never mislead me. WHAT A LIAR HE IS!!!! She is in an assisted living home with supposed Paranoid Schizophrenia that occurred suddenly at 44 yo. I have wondered if from dealing with him, she lost her sanity!!! I hope Saturn will stop kicking my butt with this kind of crap. Lesson learned, the hard way. Hopefully, I won’t ignore red flags again!!!
We magnetize predators thru our lack of instinctual/animal root power. There is a whole realm of toxic empathy and compassion that is ending here with Saturn and Neptune finishing in Pisces that will yield empowered individuals.
The shift from Pisces Saturn /Neptune to Aries Saturn/ Neptune is about healing instinctual root empowerment that moves us away from being targets of opportunity for such people.
Thank you Don!
Interesting take/interestingly put. Rings a bell here. How would you see it happening in the 12H ( pisces and aries intercepted)?
Intercepted signs are usually a pair of opposites – like Pisces/Virgo or Aries/Libra .
If Pisces and Virgo are intercepted in the 12 and 6 th houses the whole dynamic of transformation rebirth from Pisces to Aries would be useful to explore.
Root power never developed. Sheltered not protected by cult I was b&r in. Blind to predators like this. Unable to see them. My father was one.
A poem.
That is music to my ears. I like this take.
Toxic empathy! Yes! THAT is what I have experienced. There are those who, getting a thrill from being so ‘noble’ and ‘holy’ as to give everyone a chance, end up facilitating the very evil itself.
There is nothing holy about allowing suffering through your own willful naivete.
If you see something, say something (to those who are in harm’s way).
As for the psychopath, stay away from them. Not kidding. Do not be so arrogant as to believe you can defeat the devil. In my (limited!) experience, if they see that you ‘see’ them, it will be worse for you. My escape was in pretending I did not see, believed their lies, and gave a big exhale once free.
Never have I seen eyes so empty, so cold, so watchful. I could have been a bug, or a chair. He could have hurt me in any way, and still have felt…nothing.
It will be in the torturing fires of hell that these people will finally feel. Their souls cannot escape the wrath of what they have done. I take endless comfort in the bible. Lest a thirst for vengeance corrupt my soul.
Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. I will repay.
Correction for my above posted message:
But I feel very for have not!
Should have been -but I am very happy I have not.
Some people can apparently see the energetic field surrounding and powering a human (aura, chakras). I can’t and although I wish I could, I have my doubts that it it could ever become a “learned” skill. I’ve often wondered if they can “see” who is a psychopath/sociopath based on their energetic signature. If they can, then maybe we need a whole new brand of societal “check and balances” – by these folks acting as “screeners” who can certify (obviously more than a single opinion needed) as to who should *never* be a candidate for occupations such as political office, C-suite officials, high finance, medical, spiritual, working with kids or the developmentally disabled, etc.
Would that be prejudicial against them to turn them into a “non protected” class? The 21st century’s “untouchables”? Yeah, if they were fully human – but I don’t think they are. And they are extreme predators, so F’em – we need to be able to identify them and prevent them from gaining any further power over the rest of us. A legit reason to banish such people to Siberia or maybe Antarctica 🙂
Thanks for this, Juli. This is for you: https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/how-psychopaths-are-able-to-hide-in-plain-sight/
I worked with a woman who was a master at this. I have to hand it to her, she was extremely good at hiding it.
I was always baffled that not one person in the whole company recognized it, as far I knew. Or willing to admit it.
She was really quite pretty and always appeared to be helpful. But once she set her sights on you, that was it.
I watched as she one by one, worked her dark magic and turned everyone in my department against me.
Before she came I had friendly, cordial working relationships with these people. Interestingly, my boss, the department head, adored her. He and I were very different, but I was always polite and professional. I always got very high reviews on my performance evaluations. That ended a year after she started working there.
I swore I was going to write a short book on this type of danger in the workplace. But I retired and had no desire to relieve the insanity of it all.
I think we do have this instinct, but we don’t slow down enough to listen to those subtle signs of caution/warning. That, along with the last decade or so, messages of: oh, that person is acting that way because of how they were raised, or what life has dealt them, give them a break. My take on it anyway.
Answer is in two distinct parts. Response to said article then theory:
“I wish people would develop their ability to spot people like this, because from my perspective, this ability does not exist, for 95% of people out there. Maybe higher.
It seems to me, we should have innate ability to sense danger, like any animal. Assuming that is correct, I wonder how and why this skill is so dulled.”
This would probably be self destructive for a lot of people. By the description of your history it didn’t sound like you really had the option, it doesn’t sound like ‘enabling’ would have done much good. But for someone that is in an abusive encounter, using abuse as an example psychopaths not directly linked, the second they look at the abuser with the realisation that they’re a sad bully, it is probably only going to make things worse. People usually enable abusers in some manner. There are a lot of mechanisms to do this. Also in our ancestral past if you were in a tribe with one abuser they would probably all be abusers. So you match your survival mechanism from your parent to all tribe members.
If a wolf is prowling around a group of sheep, the second a sheep looks the wolf in the eye the wolf has lost the advantage of surprise and has to immediately chase.
The actual question to me is why do some people NOT enable and such. What was up with the 20% of people that didn’t hypothetically kill someone when directed to do so by an authority like the Milgram experiment showed?
Theory:
Yeah, this is one of the really interesting aspects in astrology. 0-1 degree aspects and that kind of mindset you are describing.
I figure it is about the inability to compromise in that area.
So, a friend whom is probably NOT a psychopath but expresses how these close orb aspects reflect in the chart. He described to me things that sounded overtly psychopathic when he was young. A long process of trial and error and masking, that would intimidate people if they had any idea.
To illustrate this precisely. I remember walking along the road with him. Just us two and there were a bunch of teenagers. Now my tension went up because it was 5-1 boys and “chavs” as they are called, have been known to make trouble before everything became so feminised. (There were more actual physical confrontations when I was a kid).
So I walked past feeling uncomfortable and with a kind of tense mutual acknowledgement. This friend though afterward told me a joke. That what we could have done, since he was eating sweets, is turn to the girl as we were passing them and offer her some sweets. Just the girl, no one else.
So obviously, his mind wasn’t taken up with the potential confrontation, and he was bullied by that type when he was younger. He has a 0 degree Sun Jupiter Square. So that sense of “joy” was there and it didn’t “compromise” for the situation. It didn’t condescend to be intimidated.
I have two 0 degree aspects. Moon Uranus… so a kind of eccentricity, a hard focus on these areas, and Venus square Pluto with Pluto in the 7th house. Then one 1 degree aspect.
“What was up with the 20% of people that didn’t hypothetically kill someone when directed to do so by an authority like the Milgram experiment showed?”
(…)
“I figure it is about the inability to compromise in that area.”
– this assumption seems correct, whereas per the astrology I don’t really think it has anything to do with aspects being too exact. I’m not even sure it has anything to do with a specific planet at all. For some, they might have a well-preserved ego (sun), perhaps with aspects to both jup (philosophy) and saturn (karma). They are secure in themselves and what they deem is correct and will not budge under pressure. For others it might derive from a chironic/pluto/neptune combo that’s been experienced first hand and transcended – they literally ‘been there, done that’, felt (moon or venus) the pain and wish not to perpetuate the cycle.
But even the planets aren’t the key, but their signatures (as in 12house, whatever the sign, is still Neptune’s realm, and a sun in Capricorn would be ruled by saturn, etc.).
So your 20% non-compliant individuals could be humanitarians, healers, or just people who have a strong sense of right and wrong. Or all of that. Or… you can also have some outliers in there, the uranus/saturn types, the ones who disobey just because “why not?”.
Bottomline is, you can’t predict what a person chooses to do. You can try to direct them as much as you’d like, but in the end, a human being is a human being, not an AI. A human being can decide where and whom they put their chips into, even to their apparent detriment, moved by a conviction that that’s just the right thing to do. Double-slit experiment. Quantum reality. Free will.
Hoo boy. I have a pile of t squares and if i step outta line one iota i get my ass handed to me by life and then there is THAT guy. Lol.
I think a few things are happening to allow psychopaths free reign. We used to be a small group society. Tribes. Tribes would cleanse themselves of such people fairly quickly. Now there are too many opportunities. A psychopath can just move jobs or cities much easier than in the past.
Also they are highly rewarded with money in our society so they can afford to move. Before you get thrown out of the tribe you starve.
So combine that with how we suppress children. They do not get independence of thought or action or personal control the way they did even a few hindred years ago. This creates trauma but also suppresses our innate ‘danger danger’ get away from that person senses.
We now have whole generations after generationsnof children taught to suppress their own senses. Of course they cannot recognize a psychopath
Haha, maybe the psychopathy was an adaptation to dealing with THAT chart.
I agree with Fumiga, re the fact that people have free will and can choose, versus AI (at least, not yet).
I also agree with mudlikesubstance about how things have changed with larger groups of people versus tribes and the way children are brought up.
To me, the inability to discern has been a slow progression, and one by design. Psychologically, people do not become sociopathes or psychopaths by virtue of their environment, or circumstances, or being born that way – it is something that is chosen. If you believe in reincarnation (and I cannot really explain things without it), I believe this occurs over lifetimes. The true creation of a sociopath or psychopath is the reinforcement of the choice to be one. The person chooses over and over again to take instead of to give. The dark side has an allure to those who wish to take, and parenting has been vilified to the point of pandering instead of teaching. Boundaries are reframed as inherently damaging and people are gaslit for implementing them. This, together with the proliferation of various elements present today (pollutants, pharmaceuticals, etc.) aimed at cutting people off from their emotions work to both create more individuals prone to psychopathy as well as to try to prevent people from being able to identify already active psychopathic individuals.
As to why people can’t identify them, there are some aspects that, taken together, lead to an inability to discern psychopathy. One, our society worships the intellect. It is highly valued to be “smart” in society. The only way to discern psychopathy is to sense it, and this is instinctual, not just with the mind. Next, we must understand that all individuals are prone to only sensing what we want to sense, and the most powerful weapon of the socio/psychopath is their ability to size up what their target wants to hear and deliver it as a part of their trap. Then the target will do the work for them of convincing themselves that the psychopath is whatever the target wants them to be. By the way, I believe this is a continuum – socipopathes are just psychopathes with enough humanity left in them to be able to fool others – true psychopathes have none left. The only true way to sense what is around us is to be willing to see ourselves – all of ourselves, especially the dark aspects. We are all capable of dark and light – the old “which wolf will you feed” story. If you are willing to see what you do not like in yourself, then you are more likely to be able to see it outside of yourself. Put another way, what you are unwilling to see about yourself will be the thing that blindsides you.
I would like to say one more thing on the subject – no one gets away with anything. People who struggle to be “good” pay up front for what they have – they work and earn what they take and tend to give back and not take more than what they need – thinking of others – having integrity, often against all odds. People who take the path of the psychopath have been on that path for a long time – they have been taking for a long time. Karma is a teacher in my view – not a punisher, but the “lesson” will fit the crime. I agree with what was said earlier in this thread about sometimes people have come back to experience what they have put others through – but it is not always that black and white either. However, if a person ignores the lessons for long enough, there will be no returning. A friend spoke of a book (fiction) where the main character descends to hell and, in the very last realm there is a door that leads out and up. No one ever takes that door. I feel that in order to return from the darkness, one must be willing to put themselves through everything that they have put others through. Although the optimist in me thinks maybe, just maybe, some people do take that door.
There’s an interesting book called The philisopher and the wolf, where the guy explains human society by looking at how societies function in primates (chimps and such). What he ends up with is that these societies are based on webs of relations that are often accomplished through pretense and are fueled by self interest. So that would mean that yes, many people will enable psychos, mostly because they feel there might be something in it for them(something the psychos have, be it charisma, power, influence etc). Even not being their target would be enough.
It’s a rather dry and sad idea of human nature and it does leave out our better parts, but it does seem to coincide with reality more often than not
I think it takes a very strong and healthy sense of self and no fear of being left out of the tribe to clearly see who’s who
I think the senses are dulled to this because we aren’t taught otherwise. In my generation, at least girls were not taught to protect themselves and to believe everyone had good in them. Boys might have been a little more realistic.-maybe
Interesting. The reason we don’t generally spot them is that we usually rely on sensing guilt, and they don’t have any. One I know killed a dog and I asked him about it. There was no guilt or remorse there, so I stupidly assumed he hadn’t done it, or at least not delivered the fatal blow. He had saturn on the ascendant and pluto opposite (1st/7th houses).
In my opinion, that’s also why they are so “charming”. When I went around my dads place (again, hypothesis, not certainty he was a psychopath) he would have a whisky and a cigarette and watch a crappy movie. He would laugh and life was just easy around him. If he told me something about his past he would just tell me and there was no inner tension. No justification. He could have been explaining the plot of a movie or something. No cruelty towards me, but also, not a lot of particular “emotional truth” because, perhaps, he couldn’t navigate how normal people experience the world.
One of the things that makes people (i.e. narcissists) NOT charming is that need these weirdos get to continually justify and rejustify their terrible behaviour if they do bad things. This or that person was bad. This or that person owes me this or that.
But for the psychopath there isn’t that. Brain scans show they simply don’t connect to other people. So they do the thing and then hang around as calm as the ocean. So when the rest of us meet these people all our anxieties start to lift a bit.
“So when the rest of us meet these people all our anxieties start to lift a bit.”
If so, it’s short-lived.
I am noticing the emphasis on hard aspects in the chart. Having some really hard aspects I can’t say life is without consequences, in fact just the opposite. It also seems the people with the soft aspects are the ones who sail through life without being held accountable for their actions. On occasion they will have hard aspects by transit and have difficulty dealing with not getting their way, because they aren’t used to it. If they are inclined to bad behavior, it creates a whole different type of monster.