I once dated a Sagittarius man with a Scorpio Moon. He was a good example of both Sadge and Scorpio. He was well traveled and he read everything, particularly psych and self help, up to and including Dr. Laura which pretty much floored me.
A Dr. Laura book in someone’s bedroom might normally indicate a conservative bent but in his case it was expansive. You don’t have to agree with someone. It can be interesting to read their views and that right there is textbook Jupiter. It is the job of all Sagittarius, that they stay out of a vacuum but this guy also had a Scorpio Moon, all twisted up and bent.
For the record, I was completely devoted to him. I’d never cheated on anyone in my life, this is still true today but one day he was in my bed and I went into the bathroom. I came out to find him sitting on the edge of the bed with my phone list in his hand. The list was kept in the drawer of my nightstand which meant he’d invaded my privacy but quickly got worse.
There were three pages of names and phone numbers and he started going down the list pointing to each one and asking, “Who is this?”
He ran through the entire list skipping the women and the people who had the same last name as mine.
“And this? Who is this, Elsa? And who is this? This one right here,” he asked pointing his finger accusingly. He was checking the names off with a pen.
Well, lemme tell you. Forget being outraged, I was scared. He was intense and accusatory and I moved to get him out of my house as quickly possible and I never saw him again.
Now chances are he didn’t go home and think, “I had no right to do that.” I bet he went home and in between the waves of agony thought “I bet she was screwing half the people on that list.” I bet he validated his paranoia and proved to himself that as he’d suspected, no one can be trusted.
I didn’t see him again but I did speak to him and he told me he was saving my hair. Yup. I have a lot of hair and it turns out this guy had gathered the strands of my hair that fallen here or there around his house. He told me he was keeping them in a special place and that, ladies and gentlemen, is obsession.
Has anyone (to your knowledge) ever held onto your energy like this? How did you feel about it?
This post is disturbing.
Yeah all the stalker talk is unnerving but I’m concerned about this particular guy giving other Sag / Scorp combos a bad name.
(Waves hand) Pick me, pick me! I have a Sadge story! Libra here. Sadge Sun, I have no idea what his Moon or his planets are and don’t care. Here is the rundown:
– Started stalking me
– Called, emailed, texted me all the time
– Would not stop touching and caressing me
– Even when told directly to STOP
– I told him I wasn’t interested
– He called the cops on me, told them I was suicidal and trying to kill myself WHILE I WAS ASLEEP AND HE WAS A MILE AWAY
– He locked himself in a room in my place and refused to leave even when I called the cops to remove him
– I fled a hotel to escape him
– He then sued me
– Now he has sued my boyfriend
– He’s demanding a jury trial
And I and my boyfriend DID NOTHING TO HIM
Lawsuit is pending. Sagittariuses are loons.
Thanks for the eye opener, I’ll stay away lol. Was just thinking about a very obsessive sag scorpio moon, I’m a scorpio sag moon. But nah that’s too heavy. He’s got obsessive psycho written all over his face
That is not only being paranoid and obsessed but also insecure. I am a Sagittarius man with also my moon in Scorpio but I’m not anything like the guy you just mentioned I’m actually very chill and carefree I guess it also has to do with other aspects in ur chart but not all Sagittarius’s are like this, although my brother-in-law is almost like the guy u just mentioned in a way he is paranoid, jealous, possessive and insecure. He is an Aries with a Taurus moon, but it doesn’t get to obsession though, because my sister is a very strong person and she always puts him in his place and he knows she will leave him if he gets out of hand.
I married a Sag with a Scorpio moon. It didn’t work out for all the obvious reasons. At about the 8th month mark I knew I was in trouble. Looking back I cant understand why I married him. He was not going to ever come home… he had too much Sag. He decided to travel for his job 3 weeks a month …..pffftttt I did not sign up for that.
I thought I had better radar. I couldn’t believe I married such a person. I was with him for over 6 years because it took that long to out ‘Scorpio’ him and leave in one piece. It took until the 8 year mark to finally be granted a divorce …. I thank god he lives 2500 miles away from me.
Smoothest, slickest SOB I have ever known. After him I was celibate and alone for over 3 years. I wanted nothing to do with a relationship.
@soup, that’s horrible that he didn’t tell you he’d be gone 3 weeks out of a month.
at least when you marry someone who you know is, for example, an astronaut or a traveling salesman, (he is gone for years, and the latter for weeks on end) you know what you’re in for. the only couple I know successful (scorpio/sag) is Sagittarius sun /scorpio moon Steven Spielberg and his Scorpio wife(but she is stellium libra)
Saving your hair. OMG that is so freaking weird!
He’s not a stalker, he’s sitting home an emotional mess waiting for you to call.
It’s his mother, she probably pissed him off
Scorpio Moons and mothers. I was done with mine at 14.
Still a struggle for her wanting to be part of my life.
You’re not kidding, Scorpio moon. My mother was done with me from a young age and the feeling was mutual.
I am a female Sagittarius with Scorpio moon and the most obsessive, paranoid, scary guy I ever dated was a Taurus.
the guy mentioned in the OP sounds like he doesn’t trust anyone and invades people’s privacy. My gosh, if there’s no trust, there’s no love.
My ex. I knew he was controlling but I didn’t realize how obsessed he was until I left him. Really he was obsessed with control of me. He did everything stalkerish you could imagine. Driving by my house several times a day. Calling a client of mine and asking her if I had a boyfriend. Hacking into my facebook. (One more reason I’m not on facebook). Had me followed. Vandalized my roommates car. (In his mind that was his way of protecting me from her ). Called my work and told them he was the police and needed to know where I was. Even when we were together I wasn’t allowed to have friends. He was working on isolating me from my family when I left. The last straw was when he tried to come in between me and my son. I wasn’t having that.
His sister told me he was “infatuated” with me. I don’t think obsession is on the love scale like infatuation. It’s a violation. Anyway it took me a long time to realize that somebody being obsessed with me did not love me. It might be obvious to most but not to me. I have moon, mars and a couple other things in Scorpio. And I have sun conjunct Pluto.
And now I don’t even attract these kinds of guys. Yay! I really did learn how to stand up for myself through that experience. Among other things.
Oh his astrology: sun in libra conjunct Pluto and those conjunct my sun Pluto, even though we were three years apart in age. I think his Venus squared all that in cancer. He had mars in Virgo. When we were in court fighting over my son he would have stacks of paperwork. He was great at filling out forms. But my mars in Scorpio had a strategy. I had to be patient and let him hang himself. Hardest time of my life by far. It was my Saturn return.
Disappointing Scorpio Moons ITT. I learned my lesson early on and established strict rules of boundaries. You have to use that Sagittarius Sun for Trust/Faith/Optimism, instead of Sleuthing Adventures.
Hi there (& Elsa)
I can write a trilogy about stalkers, of all kinds. X-boyfriends, x-friends, coworkers ect there isn’t enough space for their insanity.
Astrological speaking I have noticed that sun/pluto and mars/pluto aspects in a natal chart are ALWAYS the two ends of the same spectrum: either other people get obsessed with you or you are the stalker. My Pluto trine my sun and opposite my mars (sun/mars sextile) is a powerful magnet to (or for) others. Saturn/Pluto midpoint in fire signs is representing past lifes (or the previous one) and if your midpoint is on a fire sign usually “opens” the Pandora’s box (in jealousy). If the midpoint is located in 1st, 4th, 7th or 10th house (of the natal chart) then this is more intense, even from a young age.
Pluto at 1st house is bad news.
People with this location are f…ed up. Sorry, but it’s true.
The stalking is the less of their problem(s) because usually are psychopaths. (I KNOW that 12th house is for mental illness but this is the only exception-Pluto at 1st house- believe me). After all psychopaths are the only cluster (of the club) that they end up in prison and not to a clinic mental facility.
The Scorpio/Sagittarius combination I thing is one of the worse and if you are seeing that…just run or don’t bother for second date. If you know what are the worst qualities of both planets/signs and you combined the insanity of the Scorpio/Pluto with the “big picture” and expand of Sagittarius/Jupiter in the mix then you are the writer of the next horror novel. Just do it in your own head and not to the other people lives. Especially with Pluto’s “touching” they know that with this behavior, at some point, it will be backfire to their faces…but they,just, can’t stop. And they keep pushing other people’s buttons.
Even if you aren’t like this then it’s almost certain that you attract this kind of people in your life.
My Scorpio rising have seen a lot. My Aquarius Moon is having patience and understanding, but my Aries Mars can’t be too tolerate and the my opposite Pluto can bring the “war” to your doorstep. And for predator you end up as the victim.
AND you will cry….
I have had lived all this drama. From suicides, heart attacks, car accidents, phone calls at 3 in morning for a pair of socks, stalking, controlling, fake diseases, smelling my underwear, depressions and a variety of threats what they will do without me or to me.
You can’t believe it but nobody died. They are alive and well. All of them.
So am I….
Hi again,
I think there are 3 bad combinations for signs:
1) Scorpio/Sagittarius
2) Leo/Virgo &
3) Pisces/Aries
-At no2) is Leo’s egoism: “Me and I” they think it’s all about them. They are never wrong, they never apologize or ask for forgiveness. They think that, this is something like Royal right (for them) to do or act however they want BUT is your “slavery obligation” to agree with them, to support them and to get along. If you don’t then you (automatically) are their enemy (because simpy 1st your opinion doesn’t matter and 2nd you just don’t have the right to have an opinion).
On the other part of Virgo:
Is all about YOU and I (as a Virgo) criticized everything that YOU Do, or YOU say, or YOU feel, or even the way YOU think. Often they can be, not just bitter but, venomous (in the name of the honestly and the truth) but if you return the “favor/flavor” they don’t like it at all (neither you after that). For Virgo everything you do, think, say, is just wrong and you are to stupid to understand that. He/she is here to help you but mostly to correct YOU.
And now think the combo in one line:
“YOU are worthless without ME..”.
—Sure…
-The 3rd Pisces/Aries is the lies and the twisted reality of Neptune with the “I am the first” drive of Mars.
It is very possible that they will try to convince you that
“They invented sex!!!”, among other things. Don’t forget that after the Scorpio/Pluto paranoid the Pisces/Neptune is the second best on the finish line. Water (the common element) is all about feeling but is about THEIR feeling (for you), so it doesn’t matter if you don’t like/want them or if you feel uncomfortable around them. You just don’t geddit…(you know their deep feeling). Also with this combo be prepared for a very passive/aggressive behavior on a daily basis. One other thing is the representation of this two areas/signs. They are the 12th and 1st houses. Endings and beggings over and over. In terms of a relationship means a lots of on(s)/off(s) stages. And of course tons of cheating.
An other thing that you must forget with all of above combinations is the common sense. There isn’t any. I don’t really think that’s just random that all fire signs are included. And I’m not prejudiced about fire signs (I have 4 planets and 2 mathematical points in all 3 of them). And if I include my midpoints are over than 12 (or more). My N.N. is located in Sagittarius and I really think that is the worst of all of them. The Scorpio/Sagittarius combination are the most “stalking habit material” of all. And the more planets and points there are, the worst it’s gets. Manipulation (Pluto), a mask of “niceness”(Jupiter), and: “I-know-you-and-I-(think)-know-how-I’ll- get-it-from-you” is the moto of the Scorpio/Pluto who always thinks that they can read your mind. Is a genuine shock for them when they discover that, they didn’t play with your head/mind, and is even worse when (they) find out that they fell in their own trap.
(Or when you don’t fell in).
On the other side Sagittarius/Jupiter will try to convince you that, YOU don’t get the “bigger picture” (to be their prisoner) when at the same time they love their freedom more than air. They just don’t get why you don’t want to be their background or the frame to their lives, and YOU (some nerve you have) want other things or people to have around you and feel appreciated or even normal. (Yes, why?).
They will try to isolate you, to insolent your intelligence and at the end to reduce your personality. If your morality and your resistance doesn’t fit with theirs then YOU are narrow head, and you aren’t able to understand the Grace (Jupiter) of the merge (Pluto). The worst qualities of Jupiter are very similar with qualities of Pluto. (And I’m really getting mad when astrologers never explain more than few words about the dark side of the super lucky Jupiter.
Well folks when Jupiter is bad, is very, very bad. And I don’t mean with negative aspects I mean the other side of the same coin. All planets have it. Why not Jupiter?).
Pluto is about, the brightest white or the darkest black. Super moral or the deepest opposite of that. There aren’t shades of grey in him. Even if isn’t the type of person who will seek for revenge if he/she does this, will be the total ruin and destroy the other (whatever this may be).
In the Highest octaves of Pluto is the best healer (if someone can have huge insight and self-knowledge) and with tremendous amount of mental and soul power. But for someone who is very plutonian is extremely difficult to be the “good guy”. After all is the last planet is furthest from the Sun and the abyss is all around him.
People with Scorpio/Sagittarius combination usually combine the worst of those two worlds. And it isn’t pretty. (This doesn’t apply for everyone with this combo but usually is the rule and not the exception). Unfortunately 8 out of 10 people, with this combination, have serious issues.
You just can’t even imagine the variety of them. From a business woman to a neonazi guy. Believe it or not the business woman is far worse for two reasons a) she is hiding behind the mask of the “wealthy lady”, pillar of society and blah, blah. & b) she is above all suspicious (you will never think of it, about her). The guy isn’t a walking billboard but in a 5-10 minutes of conversation you can realize a lot. This is the definition of: never judge by the cover.
A third case was a friend of mine who was trying to convince me for 20 years to have sex with her (she’s gay, I’m not).
Her best argument to convince me was that: I must have sex with her in the name of our friendship! (Solid one- don’t you think?). When I asked her, how many friends she is having (besides me) straight or gay who actually have had sex with her and there are still friends(?)… the answer was (of course) none. (What a surprise). She also said that happened twice or three times in the last 27 years but “the friendships” never recover (the shock) after that. One of them was straight too (but drunk?).
Nevertheless I was her ONLY friend, and I was trying not to slap her in the most cases when she was too pushing or aggressive, or when she was too offensive with her remarks about my narrow mind, my fake morality and that I wasn’t value enough our “friendship”. She was living more than 200 miles away from me (she is was leaving in an island) and she was trying daily to control my life. When I had boyfriends all of them was worthless, never enough for me,and she was demanding for me to stop having any contract with them.
At some point when I stopped to return her calls and I wasn’t called her back she told me that she will not allowed this kind of behavior from me and “best friends don’t act like this”. Three years later the 2nd time I told her that, I need some space, and I will call her when I was feeling better. She turned green. I didn’t call or text her for five months and she was boiling…
One day she texts me that she was very sick and that she will need surgery and after that she will need (obviously) somewhere to stay and someone to take care of her (like exclusive nurse) for 10 weeks. For the surgery she have had to come back in the main land (and closer to me). The next thing of course, was to ask me if I can start immediately my nursery duty, in my home or if I need some days to prepare the room for her? (So thoughtful. Don’t you think?). She was so certain that I was gonna do that and the ONLY problem was the day (day one or day 3 ?). When I told her neither and that her brother’s apartment was just 5 miles away from the hospital (& not 25 like mine), she said that she didn’t want to be a burden on her brother and that she trust me more for that. Besides the surgery, she had a “bad” mammogram and a suspicious PAP test, and all of them was at the exact same period but the surgery was the no1 priority.
–Do you believe all this drama? I didn’t.–
In short when she saw that she was losing the game of “guilt” and “in the name of our friendship” and I wasn’t willing to be her nurse for 10 weeks she started bargaining that instead of 10, let’s do it for 8 weeks or 6 weeks (worst case scenario) but no less than that. Exactly like married couples do. I said no.
What happened?
Nothing happened. There wasn’t any surgery, mammogram or PAP test. Everything was lies. The only thing that was near to truth was that if she didn’t lose weight (4’11” or 145cm and 93 kilograms or 210 pounds) the doctor had said to her that she will be need surgery for her hip, in the years to come. And that her liver gonna leaver her too if she didn’t stopped drinking. Big, fat (& sort) liar, literally.
That was, what she was thinking to do the past five months. An unnecessary hip surgery. Brainiac.
And if you wonder why am I so bitchy? Well I’m not because she wasn’t all alone. She had a girlfriend and they were living together for 17 years, and of course she could take care of her(for the unnecessary surgery or anything else), besides her brother.
Scorpio/Sagittarius combination in all of his glory. The whole 9 yards.
As a guest every single time when she stayed at my place (before never/happened/surgery) she was looking and she was searching my stuff. Once I discovered my underwear drawer upside down and one of my panties under her pillow.
Nice.
And i had gay friends from high school and all my adult life, but she was…Jack pot.
As you can see there isn’t any common sense or any logic behind this besides the obvious.
Manipulation and mind games (for breakfast). Even if you catch them lying the first thing you gonna listen from them is: NO. They know that you know but they will never admit it. They do understand that they are losing points but is exactly the story of the frog and the Scorpio: this is their nature. And no, isn’t O.K.
She thought that after 20 years of friendship that she knew me and…water under the bridge. You know, everything is fine.
The part I had describe it was just a very small percentage (the last week). You can’t even imagine what happened the last year or 5 years. And NO they don’t respect anything or no-one. They don’t have something “holly” friends, partners, love, values in general.
More info for her: Sun/Neptune conjunction (Sagittarius).
Ascendant:12:00’Scorpio.
Stellium at 12th house conjunction with the asc.
Venus 10sco34
Mars 11sco26
Moon 11sco35
& mercury rx 26sco50 at 1st H.
And is unaspected.
I told you so. More planets more damage. Besides the above Jupiter sextiles the stellium from Capricorn (11:17′). Saturn (which is very handy for cases like this- so to work like a brake-) but doesn’t do any major aspect to Stellium or Jupiter. Is also rx in Gemini.
In a lot of cases of Scorpio/Sagittarius people’s charts, I have noticed that Saturn was retrograde in the most of the cases and in 8th house or in Scorpio.
I honestly believe that Scorpio/Sagittarius combinations are study cases.
Thanks again.