I originally posted this in 2015. That’s how long I’ve had my eye on this! The graphic is amazing, isn’t it? Saturn will conjunct Pluto in Capricorn at 22 degrees on January 12th, 2020.
It’s been nearly 30 years since we’ve had a mashup of this magnitude in Capricorn. If you were into astrology (or born) circa 1990-93, you know what I’m talking about (see Mega- Capricorn). I remember those years like they were yesterday!
Last night, Orisis Wife remarked, its been 735 years since Jupiter and Saturn and Pluto were in Capricorn, simultaneously. I was struck by this so I asked for details. She explained the three planets were in Capricorn in 1285. They were not conjunct, like what we’ll see in 2020. Crazy, right?
If you have planets in Capricorn, near 22 degrees, this will be a deeply meaningful time for you. People with planets in the later degrees of the other Cardinal signs (Aries, Libra and Cancer) will also be impacted.
If you have a stellium in near these degrees, in any of the Cardinal signs, that goes double, triple…exponential.
Where does this stellium fall in your chart? Are you ready for this?
Hallo@FriendFalkor (sounds kind of medieval:)
I agree with you, the infrastructure in question is not just about the USA, but “western” civilization, wherever that is to be found. And it’s not that we don’t want to take care of it, but that it is very expensive, which could refer back to your post on Ixion not paying his father-in-law: the Homo oeconomicus you mentioned.
The metaphor of red vs. blue states is in regard to the Cain & Abel stories you shared with us. If you look at the political map of the US, color is how the democratic and republican ideologies are represented. Red states are conservative farmer states, and blue is/was the liberal two developed coastlines, for the most part. Also, cities are mostly blue, rural is mostly red, hence farmers/hunters (the Wolf of Wall street). If we fold Ixion into the mix, we get greed running the show, on a never ending quest (wheel of fire Ixion was strapped to) for more more more. Fundamentally (!!), the two political parties are deeply divided on two main issues that raise questions of life and death (blood-letting): abortion and guns. Many of the people I spoke with about the last election voted based on one of these two issues. It was deeply divisive, in some cases splitting families, neighbors, and colleagues, with anger. It seems feasible to imagine things will only get worse, if we can’t deal with the underlying pain/fear.
Here is the link to the Sabian Symbols I referred to. In regard to their accuracy, I too have wondered who could possibly acquire the authority, knowledge, and experience to decide such things, especially on a global level in a modern world – an enormous task! A review of other authors’ view points would indeed be interesting: http://www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrological%20Mandala/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.htm
I think that we achieved some progress here. My new keywords for Ixion: ‘Not paying what you owe, facing the consequences, a long chain of consequences’
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While Ixion is in Sagittarius investments must be made for Sagittarius-related fields. This means maintenance of the infrastructure for distant travels like streets and bridges as well as for education. (At least in Germany not only streets and bridges, but also schools are known to be in a very bad condition.) If this won’t be done, then we’ll have to face consequences when Ixion leaves Sagittarius and enters Capricorn. While Ixion moves through Capricorn necessary investments for Capricorn-related fields should be done or there will also be consequences when Ixion will leave Capricorn. The current condition of streets, bridges, and so on is known, so the necessary investments for the Capricorn-related fields will also be known. This is my current interpretation for Ixion’s sign change.
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The visa thing is a Sagittarius-related field. Restrictions there are a bad idea in general, but even worse when Ixion is in Sagittarius and thus shows that they will have bad consequences. Although the matter is actually only the US administration hating on five member states of the EU. As long as president Trump changes his mind into any direction at any time, there are no really severe things to fear. More attention deserve the Philippines, Katar, Turkey, and especially Spain. If there’ll be a referendum, which Catalonia has anounced for around November and Spain has declared as illegal because it’s about the independence of Catalonia, then it could be followed by a civil war, which would spread to other countries (Belgium most likely) with similar issues.
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A thought about Ixion in the natal chart: In my natal chart Ixion is conjunct Mars. I was severely bullied during the time in school, which I survived only with the help of martial arts. So I’d say that I owe a lot to the martial principle. Although it could also be that Mars in Seven did bring bullies to me. Then it would be my natal Mars, that has some debts. However, nothing was ever paid back. That’s not because I wouldn’t have wanted, but because I never got the chance. I currently neither have the time nor a sufficient physical condition for practicing martial arts, where I actually should give something back meanwhile. But if I’m right with this personal part of Ixion’s interpretation, then I should give something not specifically to the or a specific martial art, but to or through Mars in general. This part needs to be confirmed or falsified by Ixion in the natal charts of other people.
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So far about Ixion. What we’re doing next?
@Falker
So you meant the celebrity Noah Cyrus. Nope, I am not a celebrity.
“I know only the free software Riyal”
Is that the same as http://www.astrodienst.com? They offer charts, with many additional objects, and interpretations in 11 languages, including German.
You must have some strong Virgo energy to notice those fine details in the keyboarding.
The Taming of the Shrew is a play by Shakespeare, hence, perhaps a pathos of England for 2020. Is their shrew the EU? England has the same political red & blue pattern seen in the US, in regard to rural vs. city support (or lack of support) for the Brexit vote. This pattern seems closely tied to levels of education, and supports the us vs. them mentality. In regard to the UK, Liz Greene from Astrodienst says “It is possible that a renewed sense of independent identity may require changes in existing bonds and treaties with other nations” which could infer the EU or the 4 countries that make up the UK. The UK sun is in the 4th house at 10 degrees Capricorn, where the conjunction is being hosted, and Uranus will be moving into their 8th house.
Because Pluto is a slow mover, I think it is possible to look for clues for 2020; lipstick on the collar, footprints, shoes sticking out from behind a curtain kind of clues- subtle. That is why I think Ixion is important in this regard, and perhaps the full solar eclipse of the US on August 21st is also (literally) foreshadowing for 2020. I read it will hit Trump’s chart hard, as you have already mentioned, also several of his cabinet members, and Putin’s chart as well. For the US, it is occurring opposite our natal moon, activating the 3rd and 9th houses. This solar eclipse will fall in the UK’s 11th house, near their natal Saturn. What’s going on in Germany, the holder of all those EU debts (loans)?
“So you meant the celebrity Noah Cyrus.”
The daughter of Billy Ray Cyrus and little (half-)sister of Miley Ray Cyrus. Do you know any other Noah Cyrus?
“Nope, I am not a celebrity.”
Did I never say or suggest or presume. But you never check your synastry with any? Perhaps you simply have enough friends… (I mean for checking their charts; eventually there can never be enough friends.)
“They offer charts, with many additional objects, and interpretations in 11 languages, including German.”
Not very surprising because the service is located in Switzerland. But the additional objects are limited. Riyal makes a huge list with all planetoids, that were known when Riyal was published.
“You must have some strong Virgo energy to notice those fine details in the keyboarding.”
I doubt that DC and Vertex constitute strong Virgo energy. I simply can’t ignore when a software swallows the characters, which I’m typing.
“The Taming of the Shrew is a play by Shakespeare, hence, perhaps a pathos of England for 2020.”
So there are still Shakespeare plays, which I don’t know, although my history teacher used them as a source. (Something that I found out years later!)
“England has the same political red & blue pattern seen in the US, in regard to rural vs. city support (or lack of support) for the Brexit vote. This pattern seems closely tied to levels of education, and supports the us vs. them mentality.”
What? Most people simply ignored the Brexit referendum because they took for granted that the Brexit won’t happen. It is still likely that it won’t happen. Only regions, which really worried because they have more to lose, voted against the Brexit. North Ireland fears to get terror and civil war back, the Scotish feel treated unfair already since they involuntarily ‘joined’ the United Kingdom, London fears the exodus of international institutions, which has indeed already begun, and Gibraltar could become Spanish, what would be still a good option for the people there, but this could even mean war against England.
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Liz Greene is at Astrodienst now? Aren’t they rather only quoting her?
“That is why I think Ixion is important in this regard, and perhaps the full solar eclipse of the US on August 21st is also (literally) foreshadowing for 2020.”
I think Ixion is important because it makes a sign change and has two conjunctions in 2020 and it’s obvious that financial planets must have something to say in the economic situation, which is obvious already now. The so-called Great American Eclipse is certainly important, hence such a name for it. But where’s the connection to the conjunction of 2020?
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The next solar eclipse, which can be seen in the USA, will cross the path of the Great American Eclipse in Carbondale. I wonder whether there is something special about this town? But both eclipses are years apart, perhaps there’s no connection.
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Putin may perhaps not run for presidency again. He has at most one more period of office left. He also won’t pull a new trick for getting more periods of office because he loses popularity this way. He did last time. He’s also quite old for such a difficult job as it is to be Russia’s president. But Russia has the problem that there’s nobody better to do the job than Putin. The next likely one to be elected, Shirinovski, is the Russian equivalent of Killary. Both want war.
“What’s going on in Germany, the holder of all those EU debts (loans)?”
That’s something about which the media here don’t like to speak. They speak about how great we still do in exports, but the money, which should have come in this way, is definitely and obviously not here. It’s all lend out. And lost because it disappeared because of the corruption in the countries, which received the loans. That’s why also Germany can’t make necessary investments.
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Germany’s economy has now to struggle with a new hardship because the newest sanctions against Russia are in reality directed against the EU. We shall no longer get natural gas through the many and big pipelines here. Would our politicians only not be much dumber than Donald Trump! We’ll also have elections this year, but most German voters are very dumb too. So our economy will decline.
@Falkor
The eclipse, putting a spotlight on the USA’s natal moon, could indicate a new female presidential candidate for 2020. If symbolic, it could be Lady Liberty (the symbol of our Cancer country). In our third house, that would be communications, which is the (unregulated/free) internet nowadays, including Russian cyber attacks to manipulate the last election, and how the US responds/prepares as the 2020 election approaches. Also, because of the statue’s symbolism, immigration.
“Most people simply ignored the Brexit referendum”
Why would the will of the majority be ignored? That certainly hints at pluto/saturn, and abuse of power, especially for a democracy. At the root of the Brexit vote, is the current conflict of city vs. rural the modern rendition of the historical hunter/farmer conflict?
“That’s something about which the media here don’t like to speak”
That’s interesting, why not? Hearing a German point of view sheds new light. From when I lived in Europe, 2001- 2012, non- German Europeans often spoke with bitterness and resentment about who (countries) made good deals with Germany to enter the EU, and who didn’t. Also, they discussed how corrupt they considered the formation process/entry into the EU was, specifically the loans (with interest), which many countries had to make (with Germany) to meet new EU regulations. They felt forced to pay for something (Brussels’s regulations, the figurehead, but Germany, the Fatherland, and economic powerhouse, driving the bus) they didn’t believe in/want, in order to comply with new EU regulations. Perhaps Germany finds their EU partners an ungrateful lot?
https://needtoknow.news/2017/07/us-government-meddled-elections-foreign-countries-81-times/
But complaining about a Russian attempt, that probably never happened…
“Why would the will of the majority be ignored?”
I meant that the majority didn’t vote. Of course that’s also a way to get ignored.
“At the root of the Brexit vote, is the current conflict of city vs. rural the modern rendition of the historical hunter/farmer conflict?”
At the root of the Brexit vote there is young versus old. There were quite many dictatorships in European countries during the twentieth century, so older people don’t take democracy for granted. They never miss an opportunity to vote. But it’s different with younger people, especially in England, where they had no dictatorship on the own ground. Additionally they know that everybody profits from the EU, so why would anybody vote against it? The polls before told them too that nobody needed to fear the pro Brexit side winning. So why vote? Ask modern people to vote and you’re already asking too much.
“That’s interesting, why not?”
Since at least two decades the government asks Germans to tighten the belt. So Germans lower and lower their living standard and take cuts in their wages. The ‘minimum wage’, which was introduced meanwhile, has many exceptions and so isn’t a minimum wage and doesn’t deserve this name. Many jobs are meanwhile only done by people from eastern Europe because in Germany you won’t feed a family with it anymore. Although Germany belongs already to the cheaper places in Europe. The French are completely puzzled because they would already have an uprising under such conditions. While the common German tightens his belt, he also has to hear about the many millions made by managers of Deutsche Bank and other banks and similar companies. The managers get even boni when they make losses. Our patience is tested, but nobody has more patience, it’s beyond imaginable for most people in the world. Although also some people here believe that there is somewhere an end of German patience. Under such conditions additionally tell Germans to where all the money went?
“From when I lived in Europe, 2001- 2012, non- German Europeans often spoke with bitterness and resentment about who (countries) made good deals with Germany to enter the EU, and who didn’t.”
Let me guess: Romania?
“Also, they discussed how corrupt they considered the formation process/entry into the EU was, specifically the loans (with interest), which many countries had to make (with Germany) to meet new EU regulations.”
Not having too much debts forces to get more loans??? I’m afraid they were not honest with you. Some countries cheated in order to get into the EU. Greece most.
“They felt forced to pay for something (Brussels’s regulations, the figurehead, but Germany, the Fatherland, and economic powerhouse, driving the bus) they didn’t believe in/want, in order to comply with new EU regulations.”
Nobody forced them. If they didn’t want to enter, then not anybody did or would have forced them. It was completely up to them and they knew all conditions perfectly.
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England could be an exception because there are rumours that the USA forced England to enter the EU.
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It is true that Germany has a major responsibility for the rules, which are made in Brussel, but this doesn’t keep our government from pretending that Germany would always be dominated: »We have to do this. Not our fault, but EU regulations from Brussel!«
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Sadly, only the more woke people know that a politician lies as soon as her/his lips move.
“Perhaps Germany finds their EU partners an ungrateful lot?”
Germany as such does eventually everything to please its EU partners and even to please the US east coast. The German government works towards a soft Brexit (only the British seem not to want this) and hesitated to retreat the troops from Turkey. Germans on the other hand see other EU citizens more and more as ungrateful. They shouldn’t take money from us if they don’t like us. But we would appreciate it even more if all people learned to distinguish between the people and a government.
My answers to your question await moderation. Do you know where the other plutinos are (in 2020)?
This is very interesting you mentioned about USA! Last year astrologer Smiljana posted an article about Caroline Kennedy. “Caroline Kennedy: One to watch? Smiljana Gavrančić”. You can find it on google. It would be great to hear your thoughts about it! Happy New 2018 to all and greetings from Cambridge!!
I don’t know, it just sounds like the 2020 Capricorn stellium, is a stock market crash.
The bull market has lasted since 2009. By 2020, it will be 11 years. Sounds like a ripe time for a stock market crash. But then again, I may be waaay wrong!
You aren’t wrong!
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Different from 2009 is only that the crash won’t be limited to the financial sector.
In 6th House, opposing many planets in Cancer, including my sun. I actually wonder if I am going to get sick and die. It’s one of the worst things I’ve ever noticed in a chart.
All are in the 11th house opposing 5th house Mercury (Ruler of my Sun)and square Jupiter(Asc Ruler) in Scorpio in the 8th. I don’t get a very good feeling about this as Capricorn is always punitive in my case. Loss of my social tribe, loss of self-employed earnings or internet problems? Yuck.
Natal Mars @ 22 Capricorn 2nd House here.. this is scary!
I think the key to unlocking how this conjunction will effect you on a purely personal level is to plot the progressions of your chart and any aspects progressed planets will make to this tsunami of a conjunction.This,I feel,is equally as important as aspects from planets natal positions.
I am writing for my Saturn in Capricorn workshop – this conjunction has just come up.
It is going to be a BEAST. 🙁
I’m taking your workshop. Hoping to first get through my 2nd Saturn Return in Capricorn, which is also squaring my core stellium in Libra.
Then, yes, I’ll be facing the Saturn-Pluto transition EXACTLY opposing my Moon in Cancer. I have parents in their 80s, so some event on that front wouldn’t surprise me.
*transit, not transition
Am I ready for this, you ask? As ready as can be, which is ‘imperfectly ready’. One thing that will help is that I have moved and am now living in my parents’ town. When the time comes, I will at least be on the ground and ready to ‘deploy’.
transition seems like the perfect word to describe what’s ahead…we will probably all remember where we were and what happened during the conjunction, and life will never be the same
Transiting Jupiter will be conjuncting my Natal Cap Sun & Merc & squaring my Libra moon and ascendant & in opposition to Uranus in Cancer.
All while transiting Pluto and Saturn are conjuncting my natal Venus in Capricorn and squaring mu natal Neptune in Libra.
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This is on my IC and I am slightly worried about it It also trines my Saturn and Moon which is nice but widley squares my sun (5 degrees). I am hoping to do a big move next year (big for me as it is moving outside of the city I live in but still only 1hr and half by train) Pluto has been trining my Moon and Pluto has gone into 4th so I’m wondering what else this could be about. I guess hard to predict as so far ahead.
My Sun is 10 Cap. Mercury is 11 Cap. My IC is 13Cap. My Venus is 21 Cap. squares 11 Libra moon & Ascendant, 19 Libra Neptune. All at the bottom of my chart, 3rd and 4th houses. Don’t know how to “be ready” for this.. .. ..
Hi Elsa and everyone here you’re really a lot my finger ached to scroll right to the bottom to add my comment Anyway my moon is exactly there just some minute before 21 56 capricorn. After my chiron return that’s been amazing i am waiting for this and i fear a bit this event that will come right after neptune conjuncting my natal saturn. Being myself an outer planet gal i am just thrilled about what the outcome will be… who will live will see
Hi Chariklo,
From 2012 to 2014, I experienced transiting neptune conjunct natal saturn in the 4th, while at the same time transiting saturn conjuncted natal neptune in the 1st. The result was that my old dreams were swept away while I built up new dreams/structure. Good luck!
Hi everyone, just wanted to share this because I’m kind of worried about this transit haha!
So I have Saturn (18’46) on my Descendant (18’24) in Capricorn. Pluto will transiting this aspect for the next few years BUT around late 2019/early 2020 I’ll also be having my Saturn Return! This is going to be the biggest test of my life. I can feel it. I’ll be writing up my final PhD thesis around that time too. I’m probably gonna be in solitude a lot getting to the ‘truth’ of my work, and probably of myself. I’m definitely being set up for a transformation!
My birthday is 12 January 1958, natal Sun @ 21′ Capricorn in Australia. The 2020 Capricorn Stellium feels spiritual but any ideas on what this might mean for me personally would be interesting!
Hi, Deb. If post your chart in the forum, along with your question. Someone is sure to help out! 🙂
Tie up any loose ends in Your life between now and 12/1/2020 and strive to do the things that you have always wanted to do,but you delayed doing( a ‘bucket list’ is the modern euphemism)and make a will if you have not already done so.
Tying up loose lips is always a good idea, especially when one’s words have the potential to cause damage to others.
You’re not God’s oracle. Don’t pretend to be one.
So I just found out about this 22° Cap stellium of the Sun, Mercury, Saturn & Pluto. My Imum Coeli (IC) is 22° Cap. I initially had been studying what it meant to have Pluto crossing my IC when I realized January 12, 2020. My 1st House (Natal) is made up of Sun 22° Libra, Mercury 25° Libra, Pluto 1° Scorpio & Saturn 15° Scorpio. Thus, this 22° Cap stellium will be made up of my 1st House Stellium planets… In an EXACT conjunction with my IC. I couldn’t find any major progressions for this day for myself. But when I pulled my husband’s progressions and solar arc for 1/12/2020,his Progressed Mars will be at 23° Cap and his Solar Arc Uranus will be at 25° Cap, all in his 6th house.
UPDATE: So far I was laid off (have always been great at my career anx well liked so this is out of the blue!) Then got pregnant. Founs out my past employer is spreading lies about me to potential employers so now I have to get a lawyer. Still unemployed 6 months later.
Wow, my stellium sits in my 11th house in Capricorn and all at 22 degrees! That’s Sun, Mercury, Ceres, Saturn and Pluto at 22 degrees on that day, with Jupiter also in Capricorn at 9 degrees. My natal Juno at 22 degrees on my north-node (2nd) and my natal Vertex at 22 degrees on my DC in Virgo and my natal POF at 22 degrees in the 8th house Scorpio. I haven’t got a clue what any of this means, but I’m ecstatic about it.
This stellium squares my delicate Libra sun at 22 degrees, and also impacts my Libra moon and mercury (at 7 and 8 degrees), all in the third house. This stellium will also square my Jupiter in Aries. And it will all collide in my sixth house. I have experienced major losses through death, divorce and illnesses, upheavals galore on the past 2 years. I can’t even imagine what I have left to lose!
I feel like I am getting a prequel of this stellium right now because Pluto is passing over my Ascendant starting this month. I find myself, to an extraordinarily great degree, rethinking my goals and making some pretty huge decisions about the direction of my life these days. Dreams are CRAZY and constant… which is not like me. Emotionally releasing so much. It all feels very organic and natural just accelerated. I remember when a similar event passed over my midheaven in the eighties, I left Art school and became a BANKER, lol. Hopefully in 2020 we will all experience similar life evolutions and not disasters as some fear.
If Mars, Saturn, and Pluto in Capricorn in 2018 is a preview year, than I will be empowered if I take the steps right now to make that happen. Also, X marked the spot last week to deeply hidden corruption/deceit in my local sphere, though I also watched its mirror on national news- I grabbed a shovel. Uncovering all of this might take some time….
All this “my Sun, my ascendant, my this and that” it is not a personal transit. It is a global transit and look at yesterday for the clues. Pluto 20* Cap,Mars 15*, Saturn 9* Cap
Mars triggers as it always does the midpoint of Pluto Cap conjunction in Capricorn when Syria was bombed, square to Sun/Uranus in Aries.
What few are stating is the south nodes of Pluto and Saturn are 21* Capricorn.
This will be World War lll with nukes.
Saturn Cap opposition to Pluto Cap 1932 teed off WWll no nukes.
It will be quite personal if it hits your personal planets.
I think you need to simmer down a bit.
I think the Saturn/Pluto in Capricorn conjunction will play out differently for everyone. Things to keep in mind will be how these energies are utilized in individual natal charts and what areas of the lives these energies are expressed. I am also taking into consideration how the energy of Pluto is expressed in individuals lives as well as countries. Those who have had too much power for their souls will have it taken away and those who have not had enough will be given more power.
Mars is often considered the timer of events. Later this month Mars will transit 20 degrees Capricorn and will oppose the Solar Eclipse in Cancer happening on July 13th and opposing transiting Pluto.
Will Mars trigger that eclipse later this month? It will be interesting to see what happens.
I have natal Saturn at 23 degrees Capricorn opposite Jupiter and square Mars as well as trine my moon. So I’m not sure how to interpret all that….
Fibuceus, it really depends upon how well you work with your planetary aspects. I have noticed that those who have a particular weak planet and/or house tends to highlight that area of his/her chart. I would focus on what house Cancer falls in your natal chart as I believe transiting Mars will (for some people) trigger the Cancer Eclipse happening in July. In addition, I would look at those houses where Libra and Aries fall in your natal chart. Also, take an honest look at those areas of your chart that you are currently struggling with because a planetary transit or eclipse can exasperate that area of your chart. For example: Health, relationships, money, job are areas to take into consideration. Nothing happens in a vacuum; there are always signs that something (an event) is getting ready to happen.
All of this will be in my 5th house with my natal retrograde Jupiter in Capricorn and squaring my natal Chiron @ 22 degrees Aries in the 8th house.
This Capricorn stellium will be widely trine my natal sun at 18 degrees Taurus in the 9th and my retrograde Virgo Pluto at 29 degrees in my first house so maybe this won’t be too bad for me.
Politically I think Roe v Wade will be overturned during this transit.
Jupiter in Sagittarius year – The Supreme court will be busy!
Pluto in Capricorn is bringing to the forefront power, the lack of it for some, as well as for others the abuse of having had too much power. So politically speaking it will be interesting to see who falls and who rises (individuals as well as countries). People who have NOT taken accountability for their involvements in various aspects of their own lives, but also within the global communities, will also find themselves at this time in the spotlight. I believe there is no escaping, no hiding from, Pluto in Capricorn especially when Saturn conjuncts Pluto. The saying, Karma is a bitch, will be echoed throughout the world. 🙂
Then there is the transit of Neptune in Pisces to contend with because Neptune in Pisces is the magician wherein truth is hidden within illusions and/or lies. Those illusions and/or lies are either perpetuated by us (as individuals) or by others based upon whether or not we step into our power or give our power (our energy) away to others. Whether someone is the receiver or perpetrator of those illusions and/or lies, it is said that Neptune is about dissolving those illusions and lies.
This all goes to the Piscean age (the last 2000 years) wherein spirituality (and to some degree the energy of the soul) was taken hostage by the tangible outer world in the way of power (money and sex being the two most utilized tools among Homo Sapiens). BUT, we are on the precipice of some very exciting times wherein the Homo Noeticus is emerging and therefore shifting the power from what is tangible to the mastery of energy; which also includes the world of empath and telepathic abilities.
Thank you.
I will need to read this through a few times. Really appreciate your insight and sharing.
it conjuncts Natal Saturn and Natal Jupiter in my chart. I guess i’m a gonner. Will return to chat then if not – hopefully with more wisdom.
How are you doing, Floater?
Care to chat? 😉
oh holy moly no wonder you’ve been warning about this.
should have my degree done about then. should have a lot more options at that point…
This will be conjunct N moon and progressed sun, 6th house. All within just tini minutes apart. Today marks 15 months exactly since a motorcycle accident that has completely changed my life. I have described it as my stop card…stop, look, and listen. Feeling old and broken but knowing Im not through yet because I died that day and still survived. Just wondering what type of lesson or learning experiences this transit will bring as I have been forced to move back home with my aging parents and rely on their graciousness to keep from being homeless on the streets…I really wish I knew birth times for my parents at this point;)
Me too! DSC 22 degrees Cap, which also opposes my Uranus/Jupiter conjunction on Ascendant. I can’t imagine what the stars have in store for me! Better buy an old bomber shelter!
Astromancer said we will all be in prison, in psychiatric wards or dead when this conjunction happens.
He said he was half-joking, BUUUUUT……
Do you think he could be right? ??
I know at least one Capricorn who will likely be dead by then, due to chronic illness.
It conjuncts my Venus exact at 22Cap. Right now, scared. Fear for my hubby. Fear of being left alone. Depression
Forgot to note 22* Capricorn holds the South Nodes of both Pluto and Saturn.
Never been a time like this that we can see, closest is 47AD where Pluto/Saturn were in Cap and Neptune in Pisces, but Jupiter was absent.
Jesus is coming back, it’s obvious the old order ends a new world begins.
When Mars conjuncted Pluto in April I had to deal with others abuse of power, aimed directly at me (transiting pluto on my sun). They didn’t seem to give one wit whether what they were doing was right, or reasonable, they just wanted their way. We’ve been seeing a lot of that in the US news, as well.
Saturn/pluto/mars is more like Hitler than Jesus, don’t you think? Who is finding who intolerable? If it’s you, just run.
I read they think they found Jesus’ body.
This will be my mom’s 75th birthday. Her natal moon opposes this stellium, too. I’m thinking this is when the chickens come home to roost. She’s been spending her late husband’s estate money like there’s no tomorrow… Well, tomorrow is here. And she’s obese and not taking care of herself, and she’s been (Moon in Cancer) VERY generous with family members who never gave a shit about her until she got control of the money. Something’s going down in January. I’d best prepare.
That said, WOW, this is one of the longest comment threads I’ve ever seen here. Obviously it’s really important!
Here”s the bottom line; if you have a personal planet on or close to this degree it is going to hit HARD !!! But it won’t be a sudden ( Uranus is not involved) eruption. Look for a steadily increasing energy like pressure building in a pressure cooker.But this won’t just blow the lid off, it will blow the house to pieces !! Those who have squares or oppositions to this will feel it, but to a lesser extent.Forwarned is forarmed usually, but the might and nature of this conjunction renders this statement about as useful as the warning to hide behind the sofa in the event of a nuclear attack.My last line of defense has been to become a Christian some eight months ago.I had no choice with a natal mars at 22 degrees Cap,but to appeal to the maker of the planets.My case is still pending; He’s a busy Guy.
You mentioned the squares and oppositions, but didn’t mention the conjunctions. I think the conjunction is just as important. The conjunctions are about changes the individual initiates, for better or for worse, whereas the opposition is clearly a person and/or event coming at the individual. The square is by far more challenging in that the friction of this aspect requires action. The type of action taken – reaction versus taking action – will impact the outcome of the event(s).
Of course this is my opinion, but other astrologers share my view point on these three aspects.
I am a little perplex ed by your reply.Firstly,a conjunction can only be a group of planets close to 22 degrees Cap which was stated by me as “personal planets on or near 22 Cap” in my post.Secondly, I don’t agree that a conjunction always equates to an individual taking action.It depends on the nature of the planets involved.An example would be Moon conjunct Neptune.I had a friend with this aspect-almost exact!- and he spent most of his adult life playing fantasy board games and slowly drinking himself to death.He was also the laziest and kindest man I have ever known.J.K.-RIP
A conjunction is about free will as to how an individual handles the aspect. My husband has Moon conjunct Mars in Pisces and he has to be mindful of his temper. When he knows he is getting angry he has to consciously back away from whatever is igniting him. My husband also has Venus/Sun/Mercury conjunct in Capricorn and is currently being affected by Pluto’s transit.
As for the conjunction aspect, I regret that I did not explain my interest in it that more accurately and concisely. It was more if a general remark and not specific to your chart; I apologize for any confusion.
Thank you for your response.Free will,in my opinion, is a very dubious concept.It seems initially a straightforward proposition but the more I have looked into it, it appears our will is anything but free.Motivating impulses seem to be the key and these are often subconscious in origin and as such often unrecognised by our consciousness.There is quite a famous case of a man who suffered a brain injury from a car accident.The injury affected the part of his brain dealing with his emotional responses rendering emotionless.A byproduct of this was his inability to make even the most rudimentary decisions such as if he should make a cup of tea or not.Astrologically, there are several main planets involved in “the will” and some astrologers make a convincing case for the inclusion of all the planets as well as sun and moon in a Web of interactions that we generally call ‘free’ will.
A Christian that doesn’t believe in free will?
No,I don’t believe in pure or total ‘free’ will, but I do think we can recondition our mind through attending a church,reading the Word and making a concerted effort to live in the spirit rather than the flesh.This will cause us to refrain from taking action that is against God’s will.Some people call this ‘brain washing’ to which I would agree- my mind was like a sewer.
As Nationally Certified Hypnotherapist, I know a thing or two about the subconscious mind and how it often operates making decisions that are not always good for us; or letting misguided beliefs rule our lives. In fact, one of my first clients had a head injury from a car accident which was extremely challenging for me being fresh out of the starting gate. So I do understand what you are saying and the point you are getting at.
However, it is my opinion that most people (regardless of astrological aspects) are generally lazy co-creators. Many people have no awareness of how they are feeling until what they are feeling has gained so much momentum that it is like a runaway train and stopping the momentum is impossible. The feeling has to run out of energy or somehow derail. It is a harder way to live than if people learned how to manage the world behind their eyes versus being caught up in the world outside of them. As eternal beings, there is greater power in the world behind our eyes versus being guided or directed by the world in front of us. Most people do not manage the world behind their eyes very well. We are taught that our wellbeing is found outside of us via other people, places, and things.
If God created light with a thought/word like “Let there be light” and made us in his image, then it makes sense that our inner world of thoughts and feelings/beliefs creates the world around us. Our Will is everything and it starts with the world behind our eyes and those beliefs that drives how we feel.
Mara, thank you for sharing that enlightening information. Makes so much sense. This S&P conjunction has been sitting on my natal sun for over a year now, and yes, I am the one making/initiating the tough decisions in response to others’moves; due to a strong need to confront and then create distance from the disturbances.
I have 7 planets and points in Capricorn, and Saturn and Pluto have been rolling over them for some time and more of the joy (sigh) to come. My 8th house Sun is at 23 degrees Capricorn, so I expect this is going to mean something big, whether for good or ill.
OK. You got me beat. I have 4 planets that are square to the capricorn pluto and saturn and it has been hellish for the past two years. I didn’t know I could ever be so slain with loss. Mother, father, sister, brother. Husband. Now I am just saying “Bring it!” as the planets roll toward squaring my 22 degree libra sun. But I will be keeping you in my thoughts with your 7 planet / 8th house conjunction you’ve got going. Trust it is all for good. We are just agents of light, shining in so many different ways, to illuminate all, and I know your light is a strong one. It shines into the darkest corners, where mysteries are solved. You will be doing your greatest work as this transit continues. And it will be helpful and useful to many.
Transiting Pluto moves so slow. It is interesting because as a Libra Sun, I too lost my mother, sister, brother, and a major relationship. It has been a psychological hell for me for the past nine years. That is just transiting Pluto squaring my natal sun. Pluto is currently forming a tighter square to my natal moon and then to my Mercury.
I am sorry to hear of all your losses Mar. It says a lot about you that you are still standing.Pluto does seem to have a merciless quality.It reminds me of the Hindu God Shiva the destroyer who destroys all things but the bare essentials and seems to say,” There, now let’s see you survive with only this.” Along with Saturn these two can leave you feeling like those poor children in India scavenging for food daily on rubbish tips. That’s why myself and many others are dreading this upcoming conjunction and with Pluto there is an inexorable quality about it.You could lock yourself away in a fallout shelter with enough food,water and power for 6 months but it is still going to live up to its Shiva archetype,leaving us wondering what we have done to so enrage the gods.
Thank you Astromancer. Your analogy of Shiva definitely feels accurate. I should have paid homage to Shiva when I was traveling in India.
So, you have a sun, moon and mercury in Libra, too? And have lost family members, too? It crossed my moon and mercury in square several yeas ago, and is just about to square my 22 degree sun, twice, actually. I hope the worst is over for you!
Wow, Katherine, you are a very strong human to have endured all of that. I have found, after 5 Pluto transits to planets in my natal chart, that each and every time he has brought me closer to God/spirit/something greater than me. As he is currently conjuncting my sun, I pray a lot, and I am grateful for all the beauty in my life, but mostly I work a lot. I love that you mentioned this could be a period of our greatest work. I am doing some innovative work that seems to be helping others in a profound way, which brings me bliss.
Katherine and Mara, I’m so sorry for all your loss. I’ve been through similar times, when you think life just can’t hurt you any more, and yet it does. The worst time in my life to date was when Pluto squared my Sun, when I was relatively young and it was like Maxwell’s Silver Hammer coming down over and over again. I can’t help but dread the coming transits. I’m already going through something of a nervous crisis. I have my Saturn return coming up at Christmas, then Saturn rolls off to join with Pluto over my Sun. I have my Jupiter return next year too, but I’ve never found it to be a good thing, rather the contrary; the last time around, my mother died. I do feel like my life is coming to a critical point. It’s not a good feeling.
Interesting comment, Gilly, sounds like we are in the same astrological boat. My father died at my last Jupiter return, in the 7th. Kind of gave me a whole new perspective on our relationship.I benefited materially from his death, and I felt more at peace: That person, who it seemed I could just never please, had left my life(for good).
Freeyourgenie, My mother died in the middle of my last Jupiter return (6th) with transiting saturn on my Pluto. My father died 7 years later, when transiting Jupiter was in opposition to my natal Jupiter, and transiting Pluto was on my natal Saturn in Capricorn in the 7th. Astrologically, it was very neat, but they’ve been hard, hard times ever since. I have had a particularly bad time with my sister – our parent’s deaths seems to have raised a lot of demons for her and she blames me for all her problems. I miss my parents very much. I’ve never really got past their deaths. Unlike you, nothing about it seems positive to me. I cling to the hope that having so much action this year – Saturn return, Jupiter and Venus return, Pluto on my Sun (is just the tip of the iceberg) – sees the final end to it all, which is all I want now.
Hi Gilly,
I agree, there have been hard times since the death of both my parents. I didn’t mean to imply that I was happy my father died. It’s just that an exact Jupiter return in my 7th as he died is difficult to see as a bad omen. I think it was simply time, and it opened the door to a whole other life for me. Had the same problem with a sister who felt completely entitled after his death. That was a shocker to see all that stored up nastiness I had no idea about. Last time we had spoken, before this all went down, I was ‘the best sister in the world’, and Pluto was already in my 3rd house, doing his thing.
Oh jeez… natal Sun 18 and Mercury 25 in Cap 12H. I remember 1990-93 and I discovered how deep and dark I could go… not real proud of it but very aware of that since then. Once this sh*tshow is over, I’m gonna have one helluva party!
Ugh. Almost exactly opposite my 23 degree Cancer moon. I keep thinking it will mean the death of my mother (which, well, she’s 94 and was *quite* abusive so that would be the best case scenario, if I may) but – Pluto and Saturn opposing the moon? Don’t know if I can take it. Anyone had this before? (Moon’s in the 10th.) Been through the freaking wringer for the last 7 years. Enough already!
Transiting Pluto through any angular house will be life changing. In the 4th house, transiting Pluto challenges your emotional stability in the way of relationships at home, or others (7th house), as well as people at work and authority figures such as bosses. It can some times, with an eclipse, indicate the death of someone close.
So far, Pluto through the 4th has meant the sale of the old family home with my reptilian “mother” using all the proceeds to lay like a larva in a Taj Mahal nursing home, the death of my loved eldest brother and a complete and permanent break with the rest of the “family”, all 3 of whom are the most self-absorbed people you can imagine. Eldest brother was the last kind one. So I have basically lost my entire family. If there’s another body slam in store, I believe I’m done.
Naaahhh PaleBlue! You can handle anything! I loved your description of your family. Lol I have one like that too and had to do the same thing and am all alone right now too!
Death shatters families, especially early, unexpected ones. This is all happening for a reason. Take heart and don’t give up- you are stronger than them.
Ever think that you are being protected by being removed from them? Don’t fight it- flow with it. The stars/universe want you to evolve, not devolve. Stay positive! Hugs.
Please comment on my South Node 23 degrees Capricorn during the Stellium on that degree Jan. 2012
Well, past Karma, for good or bad, is the obvious. What house? I suppose you won’t be able to get to that south node comfort zone. On the plus side, it could indicate some serious clearing of old karma, or the making of a new karmic wheel for you.
Thanks for the response. Eight house. could be a bankruptcy or somethings to do with money.
Inheritance?
My IC is 22 Cap EXACT. My NN is at 23 Cap. Venus is conjunct the MC at 23, along with Orcus and Echo. Orcus has transited my 11th house stellium of Sun, Pallas and Mars the last two years and my career, health and identity has been pulverized. I am finally coming back to life and feel grateful to be regaining my health after two long nightmarish years, but my husband and I currently live in NYC and we are GTFO of dodge no later than August of 2019, currently making a plan to move west. I am taking no chances with this stellium, we feel like sitting ducks in the middle of Manhattan. Planning to buy property and hunker down. Anyone want to comment on my placements, would love extra insight. Doesn’t seem it will be pretty and I fear for my dad’s health as well. Maybe I’ll die. Given what I’ve been through, that seems almost too simple.
This is going to mow my family down
I just looked to see if this stellium will affect my late husband’s parents. His death has already hit them HARD.
His poor momma—this will hammer her Cancer planets and Aries sun. His dad’s Neptune and Uranus will be involved, and his north Node gets a direct hit. I do wonder these days how long they will able to keep going without their son here. Here’s hoping the shit show doesn’t destroy them both. ☹️
My chart will be affected too, but the stellium will trine my planets and bypass my Libra and Cancer planets, thank God. At the same time, my Uranus opposition will be in effect. Hurray! ?
This will conjunct my neptune conjunct uranus in 4th house. I’m a libra rising at 14 degrees and neptune rules 6th house and uranus rules 5th house. What will happen to me? I’m 23 btw.
My experience with Saturn/Neptune conjunctions is that they are needed to either add structure to/build a dream or tear down an old dream so that you can begin fresh. As I had a double reception of these planets in 2012, I watched as old dreams were stripped away(Trans. Saturn conjunct natal Neptune in the first) and new dreams were built up simultaneously(Transiting Neptune conjunct natal Saturn in the 4th/cusp of 5th).Good luck!
I think I’ve got this sussed.We tell D.Trump that there are aliens on Saturn and it’s heading for the USA and that the easiest way to repel them is a 5 kilo ton warhead to deflect this gloomy bunch of probable( communist) invaders far out into the solar system.Now some purists may whine about interfering with God’s natural orbit of the spheres, but I say to hell with that ringed planet of gloom,misery and constriction! Let’s nuke it with a 20 kilo ton warhead,blow it to pieces and let the jupiterian good times roll as I for one have had 50 odd years of it’s baleful influence upon my life.If we can create designer babies why not designer solar systems?
falls very close to my Part of Fortune @ 24 CAP – in my 6th house conjunct my Decendent 25CAP (opposite CAN ASC)
Hi,I have natal mars at 22 cap. With Pluto currently hovering over it and Saturn coming up to join in,I just thought I would relay some recent effects.Just prior to Christmas a family friend committed suicide.I have been troubled by an increase of both physical and mental problems,most notably depression and I was close to hospitalization for it.Physical problems;minor heart attack,diabetes flared up,ear infection.I’m just sooo looking forward to next January. PS one other thing I have noticed is due to my natal mars being in my ninth house and Pluto now intensifying it is a compulsive drive to investigate many aspects of spirituality.I have always searched and researched spiritual doctrines but at the moment it’s become obsessions.
I wish you health and peace….my son’s Moon is 22 Cap too
Pluto rules obsessions and Saturn can often be the cause of depression. Saturn rules lessons and Pluto rules transformation. Carolyn Myss has a YouTube video called Choices. She is a medical intuitive and really is worth listening to.
I hope you feel better, Martin.
What a bunch of babies! Me me me. This will happen to ME and then oh no! this other thing is going to happen to ME because I have Pluto in my chart too! Pluto conjunct Saturn in Capricorn is a dark gate thru which the underworld visceral urges to liberated life and sex are going to come focused by the Great Disciplinarian, Saturn. This brings into contention the boundaries of nations (Ukraine/ Russia) (The US and China over Taiwan) and the corrupt banking system (Capricorn) penetrated by the intrusive Pluto/Scorpio to execute, overthrow crooked bankers and politicians. The possibility of war is strong as this is all about power and change. With Mars in retrograde at 90 degrees a couple months after, the idea of cleansing through violence is strong. That the South Lunar Node is also in the conjunction challenges the systemic self centered selfishness of individuals who only think about themselves and the collective well being in the face of danger and corruption – (Climate Change and War.)
Interesting – I wonder if anyone has some insights into the charts of the various nations – I know the US is looking at its Pluto return soon but I’m not sure what degree. France too I believe
Dagaan, I see all this as well but the question to nudge others toward is how do we fit into this greater narrative when we have a personal planet or angle involved? I am looking at this for my selfish self so I can get down to how I am involved in this larger picture – my IC is 22cap and my north node is at 23. I know I am being called to something greater in regard to the civilizational changes that are coming (war, environment, surveillance etc) but what and how precisely? Thanks for your insights, they are very succinct and resonant.
Hi Eterna, In your case I would say that this actually is going to impact you quite directly as the conjunction is for Saturn, Pluto and the south node of the moon. So that your south node (that’s what IC is right?) which has to do with self preservation, selfishness, young ego, will be impacted by what it is that Saturn and Pluto are going to do. Visceral impulses from the collective unconscious disciplined by Capricorn and assigned as a karmic imperative – by THe Father. You can’t talk about Pluto without mentioning sex. The ultimate aspect of sex is conjoining of all 44 chromosomes and then half getting edited out – rejected. That’s sex! So Pluto/Scorpio has something to do with an initiation (Cap -cardinal) in a proper use of sexual power from a very personal aspect (South Node). I suspect there could be a rebellion by heterosexuality to make gender relations more honest and deeper and spiritual – on the physical plane and particularly within large institutions, government, banking, corporations. Pluto is in a sense the face of the Dark beyond it – and that could mean the collective intent of humans from before we were human – from deep in the ancient past. Political Correctness which is homogenizing human relations in the West is tactical and strategic. But GOd is spontaneous. An assertion of this spontaneity, made into a karmic imperative by Capricorn is coming. Honest gender relations and collective initiation into authenticity. For you personally it means your hair will grow longer than Rapunzel’s
and be bright red and you will become so alluring to the opposite sex that you’ll have to beat them off with a stick. But just when it gets really crazy, the Prince will arrive in a golden carriage and whisk you safety in hisNo, seriously, because your south note matches the degree of the conjunction and it’s a master number it actually could have to do with love as 22 is the number of Venus.
Hey Daagan, Not sure how I missed your rich reply but here I am 4 months later reading this with a smirk. My hair is already naturally red and right now is longer than it’s ever been 🙂 All you’re saying rings with some crystal clear truths. Let me clarify, it’s my North Node that’s at 23 Cap conjunct my IC at 22. Another twist is Venus/Cancer MC at 21 degrees, sitting with the SN at 23, and Orcus exactly at 23 as well. This is rebirth/transformation/initiation to the max. 23 is a number that shows up in my chart repeatedly, and the 23/DNA connection is not lost on me. As a Sun/Mars in Virgo, my experience centers very much around the physical experience, what it means to be in a body, sex, etc. Pluto roosts at 0 Libra in my 12th house and let me tell you something about being in touch with the undercurrents of the times, mmmkkay? Kundalini is rising, this is very obvious, and I’m also clearing a lot of dark inheritances from both sides of my family. I grew up very repressed, sheltered from anything that went outside tradition, I was so frustrated, knowing there was more and I had no access to it. Mixed ancestors on one side of my family, the other side KKK. Repressed homosexuality. And all of this kept hidden, secret. I know now I’m here to contend with some ancient forces from my own lineage, linked to the larger whole. And it’s certainly not been some holy, beautiful experience guided by the light of heaven and the angels, quite the opposite. More of a Hadean descent to the space below the underworld, into the void – which I can tell you is what hell actually is. The physical shedding of the old densities has also been tangible, all too real. I’m more awake now than ever, ready to confront this serpent energy and do some reclamation of THE TRUTH. I’ve never understood the silencing traditional constructs of family and marriage. Libra/Juno/Uranus rising. As you so beautifully pointed out, creation/God/sex is spontaneous.
So does that Venus opposition, and the nodes also being opposite, affect your interpretation? I see there’s a mirror trick behind it as well, ancient stories of of projection and rejection, which is already my life narrative. I’m thinking it’s what you already stated, but multiplied by infinity and divided by 2. Or maybe 22?
Yes, that would be interesting. I know that England and India are Capricorn and one astrologer sees England coming to an end and India a beginning as a new global economy. There is just the chance though that this conjunction being so dark and authoritative, that it could mean the final usurpation of global economic power by the Rothchilds/Crown combination of England, who never ever gives up control. But England has some 30 mosque communities that practice Sharia law and have established their own courts. This sounds like the end of England to me.
What was happening with Pluto at the time of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
The chart for the Event: atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima at 8:16 AM, 6 August 1945 shows Pluto conjunct the Sun in Leo. Saturn was conjunct the Moon in Cancer.
My Saturn is at 22 degrees Capricorn. This is happening the day before my Saturn return in my 6th house. Should I be worried??! Because I am lol
Jessica – How do you go about using a site like say Cafe Astrology to see where this event lands in your natal chart? Thanks, Dagaan