I got into an interesting dialogue with a newcomer, Mary on Undermining, Nasty Neptune post. She said she has been reading awhile and has seen me as Saturnian, and not at all Plutonian, which was curious.
I told her I felt I could represent all the planets in a way that is pronounced.
“…Yes, I have Capricorn, I also have a packed 8th house (Pluto).
I have significant Jupiter (broadcast worldwide) and Uranus (astrology) energy.
I have a lot of Libra/7th house (Venus) energy and my Mars (anger) and my Mercury (mouth) are legendary.”
Edit to add – this post is almost ten years old. I wonder if anything has changed so…
What is real here, from your perspective? Were you unable to choose?
I voted Saturn because honestly a lot of your responses to some posts where people seem to be despairing are kind of focusing on the negative (its gonna get worse) side of what could happen inside of being more positive. And most of what you repsond on the blog is “Welcome to the forum” Or “thanks” but rarely too much feedback on peoples posts. It is seems very businessy which to me can come of as disappointing to a new reader who might genuinely be hoping for a little for a little feedback on what they have posted. I realize you are busy but when I put my first post on this forum about year back and I asked a few questions all I got back was “Welcome Queenfluff”. I was very offputting and disappointing to me. Reminds me of Saturn/Capricorn – kind of cold (not saying YOU are cold but the response) and flat. Than again it is hard to interpret the feelings behind any response on the net.
My post and responses are generall ignore on here so I feel this disappointment quite often.
queenfluff, it is a real job I have, just trying to spot new people and welcome them. I am sorry you were disappointed and put off by something intended to be friendly.
I don’t understand why a welcome is offputting. welcoming is by definition warm. ??
I have been reading this blog for less time than a lot of you (since 06) and commenting was less a while ago I would have said Jupiter first then Merc but not its a clear Saturn Pluto tossup!I chose Saturn bc it was my gut instinct…and it feels right for now. But it could totally be more about me than anything else. 🙂
Sorry there were some issues posting. “And commenting even less” …”now its a clear saturn pluto”
Must bee Pluto (I have a lot of pluto myself)
I am also a transformer like Elsa
LOL Elsa on post #57. my chart ruler is Saturn and yes! crooked lipstick is indeed intolerable. I NEVER apply lipstick without a mirror.
I apply it in the mirror and it’s still crooked! 🙂
I have voted Neptune. I can definitely feel the Pluto, Saturn, Jupiter energy but I keep coming here for the “oneness” it gives me access to. Hope it makes sense.. 🙂
Elsa you are Libra to the core, you can`t even deny it, you care way too much of others internal workings, especially what they are thinking of you
“look at me, look at my friends, this is my husband, do you like me?, do you like my posts? do you think this and that was fair?”
that`s all Venus, relationships and personal values are the main themes of this site
a Saturnian person is generally busy enough with life and when they do post than they don`t present their past relationships, especially when some of the characters might be controversial by societies standards 😀
a Plutonian person is already taking over the world, so no mind ramblings on that part too, not to mention to a true plutonian, his family is off limits to anybody, even by mentioning in text
yes there`s some Jupiter too, some of the posts are funny, but the jovial stuff comes across, more like the teacher side of Jupiter
so why don`t you own it Elsa, being nice is your “shadow”, you are Libra that`s it, you care about us, you keep posting to warn us about the shit storms that keep passing and going
so Venus vote from me
I AM THE 3%
😀 😀 😀
I can see and sense the libra energy, literally- libra dimples photos and relational/ posts related to husband, friends, clients, people in here and so on. To me there’s libra and an obvious unshakeable plutonian energy, lots of dying/death posts and transformational/survival things. I don’t feel anything neptunian, nothing confusing to me.
There were posts about music and being mistaken for an alcoholic.. in my recollection
You may be immune.
Kri- I haven’t seen that much in that sense but I remember some posts about venus/neptune or neptune/mc? Elsa- You could be right. Pisces intercepted for me so I can’t see it clearly. Well it’s perception, so I wrote what stood out to me the most- libra and plutonianness. 🙂
I know there are people who are immune. There just aren’t very many.
I’ve written about this, extensively.
Neptune midheaven tag.
It’s definitely a thing. A big thing, rather.
Thank you, Elsa. I’ve been browsing the tag but there are quite a lot of pages. Is there a specific neptune/mc post or most can apply? It’s very interesting but this can’t be good news (for me) and I’d like to see what is it about. I’ll start reading anyway.
Here are some classic stories that come to mind.. being mistaken for a hooker or a drunk.. they may be older posts
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/neptune-types-in-real-life/
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/tag/neptune-midheaven/
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/neptune-transit-my-ascendant-part-one-pisces/
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/dont-know-if-i-am-smart-or-stupid-but-i-am-definitely-a-whore/
Another classic Neptune on the midheaven post
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/neptune-conjunct-midheaven-preventing-mistaken-identity-is-impossible/
Also here is one classic Venus Neptune posts..
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/fantasy-and-obsession/
For Venus in Leo or Uranus in the 7th house you can look up stories of ‘the yellow pants’ or commitment phobia
This is a classic Saturn post
https://elsaelsa.com/astrology/quirk-of-the-capricorn-type-a-story-low-people-in-high-places-part-3/
Thank you, Kri. There are many neptune related posts indeed.
I find it funny that this is re-running at this time. That’s because I was told this week that I am supposed to do one of those 360 reviews. They got some new manager in that is running all those old new business team practices. Anyway, I flat out refused. The last time I did one of those honestly, that was the instructions ‘honest’, it was a complete disaster. I told another employee about it and she said after the first one she did there, she just leaves them blank. It was just fodder for fighting. The correct way to do it is to tell management how wonderful they are and let them shred me. Their position status is important to them, it’s what defines them, and that is good with me. Who am I to pee on their parade. Just the way it is.
🙁 notch, are you having any mars or Pluto transits?
Also, what house system do you use? You have an 8th house moon?
Placidus. No reason other than it was the first thing I looked at. I am no judge of housing systems. I leave that to those who use astrology for prediction. They would know what is most accurate. Yes 8th house moon in the 2nd decan of cancer. Double whammy. All my planets disposit back to the moon. I was fascinated to find that some people’s dispositors follow a straight line with no doubling back. Only one place to go with mine, down into it. I am a lunartic. So I come to know it as an asset. The only mars transit I am interested in now is that mars is in aries. I love mars in aries. I respect that since I have natal mars rx in pisces. I like the purity of mars in aries. My experience of that energy is good. Pluto is in its opposition to natal venus. While I am aware of that, I am not sure it is having much bearing. I know I am supposed to be possessive and obsessive but age you know, it takes too much energy at this age to do that. It’s the time of life for letting go, not hanging on. And making sure I have pants on before I leave the house. 😀
I wonder what your moon house is in whole or equal houses. How do you deal with your mars in pisces? I have a friend who struggles mightily with it and it was in my solar return chart so I do too. I have a 12th house mars but this is even harder.
I’m also having a Venus Pluto transit (and mars Pluto).. I’m wasting it big time but I find that it brought me intense friendships. That now with my Neptune transit seem to be floating away and I don’t want to be the kind of person that can’t maintain what I thought was so important.
Being very lunar is.. living life subjectively and with a lot of sensitivity and touchiness I think. But maybe it’s easier to use with time.
By golly Kri, I had overlooked it. Mars is moving to trine with natal Pluto and that Great Attractor thing whatever that is.
That would be the giddyup go factor I am experiencing. Am using it to get stuff done.
Sounds accurate but it took me time to notice.
You don’t represent the moon?
That’s a good question. I don’t think so. I don’t think I am very mother-y here.
This separation might be because I’m writing. Mars and Mercury in the 9th house is decidedly not mother-y… though I am mother-y in real life.
This post makes me crave a burrito. I dont understand it.
Same but with some hashbrowns. 😀 I am slightly envious of this. I’d want to have people in my life (who know about astrology) who notice my behavior and tell me – you resemble a capricorn, you have wannabe mars energy and moderate mercury energy. Lol, wishful thinking.
Same but with hasbrowns. * not hashbrowns with burrito.
I see Gemini and Sagittarius in you. Bit of Capricorn. But it’s subjective.
Thank you. 🙂 It’s subjective indeed. To return the favor. I sense cancer energy because you seem very in touch with your emotions and being vulnerable as a strength. With some nice really mercury aspects (mercury uranus/neptune? even a mercury chiron aspect who gives brilliant insights but it can cause hurt/healing all the same)- I don’t see mars/pisces undertones. Maybe I am not seeing anything pisces.(pisces is intercepted in my chart)
I’m going with Jupiter…. I see you as inspiring, looking ahead to the future and helping to find the meaning behind things. I’m a heavy Sagittarius/9th house person and I think that’s why I like it here so much.
Still Plutonic Elsa! Takes one to know one. I remember you said your favourite film is ‘Apocalypse Now’. Some time ago, when you asked people to describe your energy I posted a vid of ‘Terror’ performed by My Ruin – which you quite agreed with! All the other energies come out to play here as well – but, from the conversations I’ve read and taken part in over the years, Pluto is still King of the Hill. It’s powerful, it’s real. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
Yes, I love that movie… which I saw with my husband on opening day as a teenager! I did not understand it but he did. And he wound up becoming a green beret.
Jupiter energy mostly, followed by Mercury and Venus, and Uranus. When I see a picture of you or an astrology video, your energy is so buoyant regardless of the topic. Not so Saturnian to me at least.
I find your energy smart, supportive and helpful and given your long service I’m going to say Capricorn (Saturn) and Virgo (mercury).
My very first answer was Jupiter! Because you are enthusiastic and encouraging.
For Uranus I agree because I think you like to provoke.
And strong Mercury because it’s done with great intelligence.
I know you are Plutonian because this is mentionned often, with 8th H placements, but I guess I’m not sensitive/receptive to that, having nothing in 8th or Pluto stuff.
What seems apparent is that you are able indeed to “represent all the planets in a way that is pronounced”.
Your Sun must be laughing about all this!
Saturn. I can hear it in your voice.
Elsa you are very mecurical. I say that because of your amazing writing ability and the writing ability of your staff. And I get the hint that you have a bit of the trickster in you. Not the criminal kind. The sparkly kind. So I vote Mercury.
I think this has more to do with how your chart interacts with others, as well as what they are willing to ‘see’/work with. My reasoning is that we all have all the planets in our chart, some more strongly aspected than others but they are still there. How your chart interacts with my planets in my chart will influence how I see you.
For example, if I remember, your late Cappy Asc is opposite my late Cancer Asc so I do see you as a Saturn figure. Your Libra Mercury/Mars squares (if not by degree, by house) my Cancer Mercury/Mars and it’s definitely a challenge for me to learn from you, but that’s perfect for me. It works in a deeper way, so in this instance, the challenge of the square aspect is of benefit to me. With your sharp mind and aggressive disposition, it can be a challenge, but with your Venus in my 1st house, you look beautiful doing so :).
I used to think Saturn for sure, now I think more Jupiter.
For me definitely Saturn-Jupiter together. Deep, real and full of perspective.
Saturn/Mars
You seem very Plutonian, Elsa, in the way you regenerate like a phoenix after all your surgeries and physical illness (lupus, etc.) You’re like a cat with nine lives. Power and rebirth.
Saturnian: you do it your way and almost makes the reader feel this is the only way. Work work work even when you are in pain. All very Saturn. But you Also have an all or nothing air over you. You are dark and huge. You stand for what you write. And after your surgery you were reborn in a way. Which is all more Plutonian than one could ever be.
How interesting. I feel dark and huge with Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto conjunct my ascendant. It’s not usual and I’ll be glad when things lighten and loosen up. Crap. I used to be called the Italian Joan Rivers.
Ha ha ha
This is so on! I’m gonna say at this time you’re very Saturn with all the big and serious lessons coming straight. But the humor and the stories are showing up, more, with all that. So Jupiter is brightening that Italian Joan Rivers persona.
I see a lot of Jupiter. You always seem to bounce back like a float toy held underwater comes right back up.
You see possibilities for good even in the worst situations and seem to bring out the best in people.
Jupiter!
Pluto. Nothing goes so deep. Or connects at that depth. Or enables change at the (sub) atomic level.
Saturn, for sure.
You have a very realistic and adult way of looking at situations, and you also push yourself relentlessly through adversity and hardship.
Pluto and Jupiter are close behind, but I’d say you come across as Saturn first.
I’ve often seen you as Mercury – you can cut right through to the heart of things and communicate it so concisely. Saturn feels very controlling to me, and you don’t seem to try to control anyone. I can also see the other planets, just to a lesser degree. It could be I’m biased. I enjoy Mercury types and maybe I’m seeing what I want to see. 🙂
Kri, I am really enjoying exploring mars pluto energy. Thanks again.
Coming back later, I feel the same. Perception is perception. I don’t know about the perception of others, they might as well perceive plenty of neptunian vibes. I perceive Elsa as plutonian, maybe a dash saturnian after a while being in here. But just updating to say that my mind and perception hasn’t changed in the direction of a more neptunian vibe.
Thanks for the fresh comment. This was interesting to review, 10 years after the fact!
The original post has a poll attached but we lost that utility in one of the site updates. 🙂
Sure thing, Elsa!? Thought it would be good to write a small update.